Traffic on the single bridge that links Russia to Moscow-annexed Crimea and serves as a key supply route for the Kremlinâs forces in the war with Ukraine came to a standstill on Monday after one of its sections was blown up, killing a couple and wounding their daughter.
The RBC Ukraine news agency reported that explosions were heard on the bridge, with Russian military bloggers reporting two strikes.
RBC Ukraine and another Ukrainian news outlet Ukrainska Pravda said the attack was planned jointly by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) and the Ukrainian navy, and involved sea drones.
At this point, any Russian families remaining in Crimea really should leave for their own safety. They know full well they live on stolen land.
Many of them moved there as active contributors to the genocide in that region.
What? Do you have anything that shows the demographics significantly changed at all? The population was 76% russian in 2014 before Russia took it. You have data that shows that significantly increased?
No it was at 67.9%, up from 60.4% in 2001 down from 67% in 1989. Up from 6.6% in 1850 when Russification really started. Also note the suspicious absence of Tatars during the times of the Soviet Union and their return afterwards. And TBH I trust those censuses 2014 onwards about as much as I trust Russian referenda.
Also, âpeople speak Russian at homeâ is not, by a long shot, the same thing as âwant to be part of Russiaâ much less âwant to live under <currenttsar>'s bootâ or âwant to suffer yet another Holodomorâ. Crimea had a referendum just as the rest of Ukraine did and it didnât want to be part of Russia by a good margin. The question of âpart of Ukraine or independentâ was more split, but that turned towards âpart of Ukraineâ as Ukraine failed to treat Crimea badly and independence would be difficult for such a small country in such an exposed situation.
Crimea is 76% russian. It was almost 70% russian before 2014 and it is around 76% russian today. Almost all of these people lived there already.
Russian speaking != Russian. A majority in Crimea voted for independence from Russia in 1991 and that desire for independence from Russia did not lessen between 1991 and 2014 when Russiaâs imperial war of conquest against Ukraine began.
Sure. But that doesnât really change the census data much.
This applies to Donetsk and Luhansk too. All three of these regions were ethnic majority Russian, and the separatism kicked off when the Maidan government banned the Russian language in official government usage (schools, local institutions etc).
A majority of Russians rose up in opposition against the Ukrainian government during the Ukrainian revolution in support of Russian annexation. You canât just ignore that a large number of people in Crimea were onboard with annexation.
As others have pointed out, Crimea is not 82% Russian. The majority of the populace speaks Russian, but a shared language does not indicate a shared culture. They donât want to be part of Russia, and were illegally invaded.
Crimea wasnât âinvadedâ. Russia was already there as it leased the port and officially managed it for military use already. Thatâs why there was no fighting. They already ran the checkpoints, they already were the entire military presence in the region. The changeover from âthis is Ukraineâ to âthis is Russia nowâ was entirely the signing of papers and changed absolutely nothing about the presence in the region or the average day to day. They certainly took it over, but to say it was invaded is somewhat misleading, more of a âweâve decided that this is ours nowâ.
This is an ethnic argument, further pointing to the idea that you are making distinctly fascist points in this thread.
You mean that Ukrainians who are ethnically and linguistically Russians and who had been residing in Crimea before the formation of the current Ukraine country should have no political righst nor property ownership rights?
Honey, how about we spice our family vacation up this year and go to a drought stricken stolen land near an active war zone?
I believe the reasoning is that this is the only bridge into and out of Crimea from the Russian side.
I heard the naval drone attached from inside the Azov Sea which shows Ukraine has done something very unexpected. How did the front get to the north side of the bridge?
Any Russian citizen moving into Crimea negates the privilege of being labeled a civilian at this point.
There is no way to know how long they have been living there and this is the reasoning war criminals use
death of civilians is never good news, but if russia doesnât want its citizens to be at risk then they shouldnt invade other countries
This is why war is horrible. Ukraine made a brilliant tactical move here in terms of strategy, but civilians still died. Whatever you think of the adults, a child was injured and is now orphaned because of this attack. But it was still necessary, and there will be more situations like this as Ukraine continues its counteroffensive and hopefully fully recaptures their stolen land. Crimea belongs to Ukraine.
Lemmy is way more intelligent, both cognitively and emotionally, than Reddit was. We can recognize the necessity of this attack and cheer Ukraine for making such a huge tactical move, but we can also be remorseful for the civilians who have had their lives changed because of the attack.
This is why war fucking sucks. There are no gentleman or ladies in wars. There is nothing honorable about it. Thereâs just cold logic for killing your enemy and how you can more easily do that. If you can avoid civilian casualties you will, but if it canât be avoided, then it is what it is.
Lest someone mistake this as a pro Russian âstop the war!â comment â Putin can stop all of this anytime he wants. He withdraws all forces, the war ends. He fights for conquest, Ukraine fights for survival. As long as Ukrainians want to fight for their country and Putin doesnât end the war, the war continues. Make no mistake, all of this carnage is his fault.
Death of civilians in Crimea wouldnât happen if Russia didnât invade.
âThe 2004 Madrid train bombings (also known in Spain as 11M) were a series of coordinated, nearly simultaneous bombings against the CercanĂas commuter train system of Madrid, Spain, on the morning of 11 March 2004âthree days before Spainâs general elections. The explosions killed 193 people and injured around 2,000. The bombings constituted the deadliest terrorist attack carried out in the history of Spain and the deadliest in Europe since 1988. The official investigation by the Spanish judiciary found that the attacks were directed by al-Qaeda, allegedly as a reaction to Spainâs involvement in the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraqâ
On 6 July 2006, a videotaped statement by Shehzad Tanweer was broadcast by Al-Jazeera. In the video, which may have been edited to include remarks by al-Zawahiri, Tanweer said:
What you have witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
Tanweer argued that the non-Muslims of Britain deserve such attacks because they voted for a government which âcontinues to oppress our mothers, children, brothers and sisters in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq and Chechnya.â
Targeting civilians with explosives because the country they are citizens of is engaged with war is decried as âterrorismâ so are you stating that the Ukrainian officials responsible for this are terrorists?
Theyâd have still gotten their shit blown up by Kyiv, who has been blowing up everyone who voted in a referendum to become Russian. Fucking christ am I the only one capable of remembering anything more than two fucking years old? Or is this another one of those âconveniently ignoredâ bits for yâall NAFO rimjobbers?
