51 points

Yawn,

quotes about history from people that don’t know much about history to make a generalization like that.

It’s a doomer’s wall tattoo.

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17 points

You could convince me we’re in the end times, but this certainly isn’t the argument to do it

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43 points

If I remember correctly that line of thinking came from a fascist

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6 points

Myah!

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19 points

Yeah alright, that very objective metric of “too complex”. We have reached a level of ten on the complexometer so we’re totally fucked 🙄

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16 points

We’ve been in a state of near society collapse for at least 100 years now.

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11 points

I’m in Europe. Our society DID collapse during the last hundred years.

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6 points

Not from a real “collapse” point of view.

The last real collapse which ended civilization was the end of the bronze age.

The end of the Roman Empire was way more transistory in comparison.

Yes, civilization was set back, yes, rulers changed, but if you scrap the whole renaissance/ enlightentment propaganda about the “dark ages” there were more things that survived than collapsed.

In the end we’re living in the same civilization as Aristotle, Augustus Caesar, Charlemagne, Elizabeth I., and Bismarck.

Let’s hope global warming / nuclear war doesn’t take care of that.

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Complexity and the chaos caused by complexity are certainly factors that cause disasters and require damage control. It also provides renegades more opportunities to disrupt normal operations when law fails to serve the public rather the plutocratic elite.

But this doesn’t mean theres a direct causal relationship between complexity and societal failure.

Think of Isla Nublar and the cloned dinosaurs that were able to reproduce, migrate off the island and survive outside containment despite the systems that were emplaced to prevent them from doing so.

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