The law ( the Leahy Law) requires that the US vet any foreign military receiving US arms. However, that doesn’t happen with Israel

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I think a lot of U.S. politicians and legacy media outlets were genuinely caught off-guard by the backlash. Prior to the Netanyahu era, support for Israel in the U.S. was basically non-controversial. But he fucked that up just like he fucks up everything else.

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Netanyahu has been an unmitigated disaster in every conceivable way, for a long time. The Israeli people really need to kick him to the curb.

I mean, at this point he’s squandering good will and sympathy generated for Israel after a terrorist group specifically targeted civilians for rape, torture, and murder. It feels like something that should be impossible - I mean, it’s not like anyone sane would side with freaking Hamas.

If you’re opposed to Hamas, it should be trivially easy to maintain the moral and political high ground over them. Yet he’s somehow failing even that.

Cripes, what a clusterfuck.

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I keep reposting this one quote: “The bar to clear was on the ground and y’all brought shovels.”

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Look into his dad and his grandpa, it has a history

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I think for a lot of Israelis, and Bibi as well, it’s also a question of whether maintaining moral ground and PR is worth letting Hamas and such continue to do their thing. How many of us would really continue to turn the other cheek once a terrorist group keeps killing your friends and family?

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Shrug, the US elected Trump and are acting like they want to do it again…

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No one is defending the United States. People are saying the nexus of U.S. corruption and Israeli corruption is proving itself to be a plague on humanity.

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Oh good, whataboutism always takes a conversation to interesting places, said no one, ever.

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It’s less the backlash and more the attacks on Jews that are surprising.

The US has always had a small, vocal minority that hates Israel.

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Yeah, and the “vocal minority” gained strength when Netanyahu spoke before a joint session of Congress and insulted everyone to the left of Mussolini. And then the 2014 Gaza War was disproportionate and all over social media. And then Netanyahu named a fucking settlement after Trump, America’s worst president since Andrew Johnson. And now he’s razing Gaza and belongs at The Hague.

I didn’t even think about the whole, entire Levant much prior to that shit. I have no connection to the wider Mideast and frankly, still don’t think it’s interesting. I like nature more than religion so there’s nothing in Jerusalem for me. (Tel Aviv sounds nicer.) But now I’m like, “Please stop bombing civilians using the weapons I apparently have to pay for. For some reason? Is Israel strategically important? Why?”

And Likud-ass people are accusing me of hating Israel. I didn’t have an opinion but now I do. Fuck all religious nationalists with a broomstick no one has sanded down.

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Blame Netty

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Yes this is a good example of the vocal minority

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Israel has more influence over American foreign policy than American citizens.

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At this point I do believe that US government are owned by Isreal. Influence is an understatement of US response to anything Isreal related.

Trump literally move the US embassy putting US citzen at risk for no valuable reason.

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The CIA staged a coup in Iran in 1953 at the behest of Britain/British Petroleum when the newly elected PM decided to nationalize the oil fields. Iran remains Israel’s greatest geopolitical foe, because of Israel’s ties to the West.

The Suez Canal, an originally French/British colonial venture, which carries an absurd amount of cargo from former British colonies into the Mediterranean, was the cause of the Six Day War; not to mention there’s a plan for a new canal through Israel to avoid all the nasty geopolitical issues the Suez Canal raises.

The US has a network of Middle Eastern allies and enemies and meddles in the affairs of every middle eastern nation because they’ve got all that sweet light crude we love so much.

Do you think, maybe, that the US’s (and more broadly the West’s) objectives in the region outweigh, possibly, whatever “influence” Israel has over our politics?

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“If Israel didn’t exist, we would have to invent it.”

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Try to run for office without the support of the Israel lobby… there goes your PAC money. Obama ran with Biden as a nod to the Israel lobby because Biden was their darling and Obama was known to attend pro-Palestine conferences.

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Very true because money speaks volumes and people don’t VOTE, and many of those who do have no understanding of how to recognize real balanced news so they just go with the loudest, most agenda driven sources.

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The US is a global empire built on oil, which makes Israel (an ideologically similar nation in the middle of the largest oil producing region on earth) a natural partner. Influence doesn’t really have anything to do with it.

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Yes that’s how foreign policy work?

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The Jews own all the media outlets and control the judiciary and the police. That’s why.

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No. Just no. Go home and rethink that.

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Hey I found one in the wild, neat!

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Is that you, Adolf?

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Because it turns turns billions in public funds into billions in private profits.

The fact that those profits come at the expense of children’s lives doesn’t worry the oil and gas industries, so why would it worry weapons manufacturers?

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They could get the same effect by arming Ukraine without looking like a bunch of assholes

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Unfortunately, that’s not how greed works. They’ll never say “no thanks, we’ve made enough profit from Ukraine”.

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No one’s suggesting they say that

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You can take your Mein Kampf conspiracy theories and fuck off.

We can see who America arms and your bullshit doesn’t even hold up for the Israeli rulers responsible, let alone an entire race of people scattered all over the world.

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Why is the US still sending an endless supply of arms to Israel without conditions?

AIPAC

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This is the actual answer.

This lobby group is extremely effective and any legislator that opposes them will see their primary or electoral opponents get millions of dollars in funding.

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Look, AIPAC sucks but do you guys really think we wouldn’t be dumping weapons into the middle east if it weren’t for the Israel lobby? Like the US government doesn’t have its own reasons for doing so?

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Don’t ask that question, it’s anti-Semitic.

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A sad and horrifying reality. The biggest success of Zionism is that it has hidden itself behind antisemitism.

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