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You know what’s free (as in beer and speech) and not being enshittified? Notepad++

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Fun fact: Most of the features that people liked about the “new” Windows notepad were just stolen from Notepad++ anyway.

So you may as well just use Notepad++ and enjoy a better experience, plus about a zillion other things like numerous plugins, syntax highlighting for just about every programming language under the sun, immensely configurable color schemes, etc., etc., etc.

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42 points

Hardly “stolen”. Suff like tabs is very basic that n++ didn’t invent.

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And even if Notepad++ had invented it, it’s not “stealing” to do the same thing. Notepad++ still has its tabs, nobody stole them. Copied them, maybe. Inspired by them, perhaps. “Stolen” is just a deliberately emotion-baiting term.

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Explorer still can’t do it though.

Wait, it does now?! Hell freezes over?

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More likely they are direct ports of things from the highly popular Visual Studio Code as a lot of people used to bound out RAW HTML and other code in notepad for YEARS before Notepad++ was a thing.

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I think you mean you discovered vs code years before you found notepad++

Notepad++ has been around since 2003 years and vs code has been around since 2015.

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Then those features in VS Code were most likely heavily inspired by Notepad++ as well. Notepad++ was publicly released in 2003, which in computing terms may as well be the neolithic era.

TL;DR: There’s no reason to stick with a shitty Microsoft application for this task since N++ exists and is, was, and probably forever will be superior.

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bound out RAW HTML and other code in notepad

You’re someone who likes pain huh?

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This is not enshittification. Here’s where the term came from:

Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. I call this enshittification

In what way is adding an AI assistant to Notepad either “abusing their users” or “abusing their business customers?” It seems like it’s just a useful new feature to me, that’s still in the “be good to your users” phase.

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They’re sacrificing the utility of the tool to make it part of their new AI-driven operating system as a service platform. The only thing notepad had going for it was its complete simplicity, reliability, and speed. Nobody wants notepad to try to rope you into this ecosystem, certainly not at the expense of those qualities.

Even with the recent updates, I’m over it. Notepad has crashed on me at least twice. Notepad. Crashed. There is no longer any reason to use it.

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They’re sacrificing the utility of the tool to make it part of their new AI-driven operating system as a service platform.

You don’t know that. You have no idea how this “cowriter” will be integrated. It could be just a little button off on the side, maybe with a setting in the configuration to hide it entirely, and you can ignore it completely.

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I like Cory Doctorow. I think his theory of enshittification is useful, but I find his definition flawed.

  • Why is it limited to platforms? Can’t enshittification apply to other things like applications?
  • Are business customers really required or can that step be skipped?
  • The platforms dying thing isn’t what we are seeing. For example, Amazon is absolutely enshittified. They’re not dead. More like undead, continuing to shamble on consuming everything.

I still give credit to Cory for being an acute observer and coming up with a useful theory.

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3 points

There is no need to coin a new term, when “rent seeking” has done just fine for hundreds of years now.

This is not a new concept.

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11 points

But… MUH BUZZWORDS!

(I really hate the Reddit-style overuse of that word.)

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18 points

Ah, the enshittification of enshittification.

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6 points

That one and “FAFO” in its various incarnations can take a break for a bit, IMO

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2 points

I do too, considering it never needed a new term to begin with. This isn’t a new concept, and we already have a name for it: rent seeking

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5 points

Adding an AI seems OK but per the article it will do it similar to Paint Co-creator. I can already see those types of “features” will get promoted more and more in updates and take more part of the screen.

Microsoft will want revenue trickling in from Notepad of all places…

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4 points

AI assistants usually need to upload the data to process it. So it’s potential enshitification via adding data upload/harvesting features to a trusted offline text editor. Usually companies have ways to generate revenue streams based on the data from these “free and useful features”. Adverts based on what text files you open might be the long term end goal.

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If you’re concerned then don’t use the feature. It’s really simple.

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3 points

Leaks of company secrets will increase.

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2 points

What about privacy and bloat? Do you really need an integrated big-brother Clippy again? There’s a reason they got rid of that annoying little bugger 20-ish years ago. Even killed Cortana. How many failed experiments more do we need?

If you need AI writing, you have it in Edge or on the ChatGPT site. Will they add AI to settings to help you turn on all the bloat and tracking for you?

Like just give me my damn control panel which has a working search feature (unlike, say, Settings)

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Do you really need an integrated big-brother Clippy again?

You’re making some pretty big assumptions about what this feature will be like.

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16 points

Unfff pump my veins full of Notepad++. I wanna feel the autosaving tabs course through me. I need that tabbed indenting experience. AAAAAAAAAAA

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4 points

And it’s great that it exists, but the average Windows user has no idea that exists and probably no idea how to download and install it because the average Windows user, like the average computer user, is only nominally computer literate.

Those are the people Microsoft constantly fucks over, not people here who tend to know what they’re doing. A large percentage of people here don’t even use Windows except maybe through an emulator.

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3 points

It does contain random political statements however which is sometimes concerning.

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6 points

I haven’t noticed any of this. Where are you seeing them?

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So far the author seems to have been on the right side of history. You can see some of them in the N++ update news:

https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/

They seem to be pro-Ukraine (or at least anti-Russian invasion) and anti-Chinese authoritarianism. I can’t bring myself to have any beef with either of those positions, really.

At one point they also sold a thong.

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15 points

They had some messages regarding a free Ukraine a few updates back. It’s a free app so if he wants to include that in his update message that’s fine to me.

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4 points

Every few updates the read me, description or something contains some kind of statement on various world issues going on.

Search the hit hub issues for notepad++ for the word political. People complain each time.

I don’t care if he is on the rights side of the issue or note, just don’t like it popping up in software.

I thought my installer was infected the one time by to giant wall of default text when I opened it.

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It’s because apparently being anti Russia, anti authoritarian and pro Ukraine is…pOliTiCaL

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2 points

LiteXL is also pretty good.

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Neat, TIL of another app. Unfortunately, it looks like development has been abandoned. The last update was from 13 years ago.

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-6 points

SublimeText is a much better alternative

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1 point

Not open source

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94 points

I know it’s dumb but I was always a bit disappointed that Microsoft overhauled Paint in Windows 11 with layers and polish. To me, paint is always that terrible pre-packaged program that makes bad art. There was a community around making things in paint, which was noticeably impressive because making decent art in paint is a nightmare.

Now that it’s actually fairly good… I don’t know, it’s lost its charm.

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Its not actually good, and many actually good art programs far outshine it.

So its lost what made it unique, by being comedically bad, and become the death knell of most things in a capital focused system; mundane.

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14 points

My primary use case for MS Paint is its almost non-existent system usage, to quickly crop screenshots or strip metadata from files. Paint.net handles almost every other use. Same rationale for Notepad and stripping formatting from copied text. Bloat the program with ‘value added USP features’ to compete with actual image editing software, and I’m out.

Microsoft saw how the Apple ecosystem lock-in has benefited them long term, and made big pushes to ‘improve’ their first party software and close the ecosystem to the Microsoft store. Vanilla Windows fresh off an install throws all kind of “You sure? Like for real sure?” UAC warnings popups at any executable, while seamlessly processing their App Store use. Zero-low literacy users want that kind of UI/UX and Microsoft sees money to be made funneling them towards first-party and ‘partner’ software

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there’s an easier tool to crop screenshots and strip them of metadata. Snipping tool! As barebones as notepad and paint, and extremely useful. I genuinely use it daily to the point that I just added it to my taskbar.

Opens in split second, lets you create a screenshot of any size and wherever you’d like, then immediately copies that image to your clipboard so you don’t even need to save it if you’re sending it somewhere online. If you so desire you can draw a bit on the image, handy for underlines, arrows, and basic censoring. And if a pesky dropdown menu only shows up when you hover over it you can set it to delay triggering and can get your mouse over there in time for a screenshot.

And that’s it, I’m pretty sure I described every single feature of the Snipping tool.

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honestly it’s not even that bad, it’s notepad picture edition - I sometimes use it when I want to draw something fast to get my point across, small graphs that are easier to show than explain in text, objects I’m trying to describe but failing etc.

Together with notepad, paint gives you the “pen and a napkin” experience of the digital world.

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12 points

I can understand and get behind this sentiment. At an old job we had iMacs and I would use Apple’s numbers program to make pixel art in the tables by coloring each cell.

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I think it tries to be paint.net to some extent, I am absolutely fine with that, although it will never beat its clean, simple design.

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3 points

Watch them adding AI to paint at some point.

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3 points

They already have…

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I love Paint because when shit started hitting the fan in windows, Microsoft’s neglect actually elevated Paint to the best stock program on there. It’s the only image viewer I use on windows because it opens instantly and takes practically zero resources. Even large images can be opened faster than the crappy calculator, which is still the same calculator from Windows 8 by the way. I hope they never touch paint again.

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Notepad++, GET YOUR FOSS ON PEOPLE!

https://notepad-plus-plus.org/

If you’re not using it, then you’re going to be extremely happy when you switch!

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I liked the tab support being added and use notepad for a bunch of basic bitch shiz, but notepad++ is going full time if they start bogging it down with crap.

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People should use Vim. It’s tons better and very user friendly.

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https://neovim.io/

https://github.com/jdhao/nvim-config#features

Highly recommend this.

A modern Neovim configuration with full battery for Python, Lua, C++, Markdown, LaTeX, and more…

This is enough to get the intellisense and linters up and running. Only takes ~5 minutes to configure by installing prerequisites, it’s worth it though.

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5 points

No one getting this joke is hilarious to me

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Its not that people have missed the joke, it’s that the joke is poorly formed and not hyperbolic enough to be funny, instead it’s rather a half joke and brings up a larger issue (intentional or not), that undermines the attempt at absurdist humor.

I find Dunning-Kruger to be funny.

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But how do you exit?

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Simple: You pull the plug on your PC.

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VIM is for people who need crutches - Vi is where it’s at. Or maybe LaTex I don’t know.

But I do heartily endorse Notepad++.

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There’s KDE Kate as well, but I only use that for scripting purpose.

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SublimeText is a much superior alternative. Notepad++ is like being stuck in the 2000s

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Sublime is not FOSS

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8 points

Paying for a text editor, who doesn’t like that?

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6 points

It’s free and is functional. What more could you want

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I always thought that my local use of a plain text editor should use a lot of CPU power (and electricity) in a huge data center.

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Your owners gotta know what you’re doing at all times eh. Can’t leave notepad out of the tracking eco system

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Does anyone use notepad for anything other than looking at config files? I mean, does anyone write documents with notepad?

Edit: Thanks for all the comments. I have used notepad similarly, but doesn’t sound like anything that needs AI.

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I paste blocks of text or data into it, then copy it out again so I dont infect document B with document A’s weird formatting

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41 points

Ctrl+Shift+V pastes without formatting.

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It doesn’t fix artificial line break issues though. Simple text editors are perfect for stopping some text from looking unnecessarily like poetry.

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7 points

I am 46 how am I just learning this now?!

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6 points

incredibly pro tip, I use this all the time

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31 points

I use it for writing quick temporary notes for work when I don’t have a pen and paper handy.

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I used to use it for taking quick notes when I had a slow computer. I didn’t want to wait for Word to load, so I’d just use Notepad. Now I use Post Its or just don’t write stuff down as much.

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i use it constantly because it’s the only text editor that comes with windows 10

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Easily replaced.

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No, its not easily replaced in a locked-down enterprise setting. That’s naive.

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Funny enough, I use it like a notepad. Oh s***, I need to write this down real quick. I need to grab an exerpt off a website, our store serial number or make a quick list. It’s literally scrap paper in digital form for me.

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I only use it to strip HTML text down to plain text. As long as it can do that, I’ll probably keep using it unless something better comes around.

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4 points

It has such a distinct lack of any features whatsoever, that it makes it a perfect tool for practicing written assignments for language exams.

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I use it all the time for quick notes at work, with its very simple interface, and the tabs feature was a game changer. Especially useful for phone calls in my case, although my typing speed far exceeds my writing speed so maybe I’m the exception because of that.

I don’t use it to program though, usually that’s delegated to Visual Studio.

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I use it as a cache for chunks of text I want to move around. I use Textpad a lot for code and config files where I don’t need all the lookup and predictive stuff.

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I prefer having a bare-bones text editor over anything with formatting. Most of the time, I don’t want the formatting to carry over, I want it stripped down to just the content, just the text. Word can get annoying sometimes when you’re trying to copy and paste and it does something stupid like carrying over weird frames or tables or whatever the hell. That said, I’ll still use a “fancy” text editor like Notepad++ or Sublime Text.

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