60 points

If you go far enough left, you get your guns back.

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12 points

Horseshoe theory goes brrr

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15 points

No, it doesn’t.

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51 points

Tell that to all the pearl-clutching left-leaning voters scared of a fucking AR-15s and continue voting to restrict ownership of firearms based simply on appearance.

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64 points

If nobody has guns nobody needs guns, pretty simple

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57 points

I live in Ohio where getting a gun takes thirty minutes and you don’t need a permit to conceal carry. I’m also a clocky trans girl who gets threatened in public…

If it makes you feel better, I’d rather have an estrogen laser, but 9mm anti-personnel rounds will have to dUwU

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52 points

I completely agree that minority groups in America should arm themselves, it’s unrealistic to think that guns will ever be banned in America, and better safe than sorry.

However, in an ideal world (and most places) nobody would have guns, hence nobody would need a gun.

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9 points

Not sure how an estrogen laser would work but if it’s anything like it sounds I wouldn’t want to use that on people, seems very unethical.

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23 points

that would be a good argument if we could get guns out of the hands of the police and such

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5 points

Key word nobody

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8 points

Yep that’s simple, a common fantasy that people engage in. It is also quite impossible.

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8 points

Let’s start by removing guns from police first, they are the most deadly with them.

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22 points

If gun rights were actually about that then the black panthers wouldn’t have been surpressed and banned

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13 points

Yeah but why don’t you just call the police? They’re always so nice and helpful, they should have all the AR15s not the normies. Yes I’m on my way to town hall to explain exactly why we can’t put affordable housing in our neighborhood in order to save the town’s character, why do you ask?

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10 points

the appearance of the weapons or the owners?

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2 points

#not all progressives

I like to think I am a progressive, but I am sure someone left of me thinks I am downright hitlerally literal

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People who own guns are at a much higher risk of suicide. Guns might make you feel safe, but in reality the most likely person to die from your gun is yourself.

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28 points

This is like survivorship bias, but in reverse. Obviously almost everyone who killed themselves with a gun had access to a gun, but this doesn’t mean that they wouldn’t have committed suicide by some other means if they didn’t have access to a gun.

This is something that is impossible to determine scientifically. If everyone in this study group killed themselves with a gun, how many of them would have not killed themselves if they didn’t have a gun? They can’t un-kill themselves and let us take away their guns so we can determine the effect.

What this study shows is that a gun is likely the first choice of gun owners who are trying to kill themselves. It cannot determine how much less likely they would have been to kill themselves had they not owned a gun, if at all. Intuitively I do believe that it would be less, because other means are likely more difficult, slower, or less effective. Whether this would result in slightly fewer suicides or much fewer I do not know, but this study doesn’t prove either.

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11 points

Let us preface this with the statement that I believe people sound generally have access to guns if they want them.

Access to guns absolutely increases your risk for suicide. The fundamental reason is that having a gun and ammo available to you makes suicide accessible and quick. The urge to kill yourself is spontaneous and short lived, small barriers can and do save lives.

I want to repeat something fundamental to this study. The reduced suicide rate caused by limiting access to guns was not compensated for by an increase when guns were reintroduced. Restricting gun access saved lives. Full stop.

Again, I like guns. I think you should have a gun if you want one, barring any obvious reasons you shouldn’t have one. But, I’m not gonna ignore reality; guns increase your risk of suicide. Life is full of risk, I think this one is acceptable.

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7 points

What this study shows is that a gun is likely the first choice of gun owners who are trying to kill themselves. It cannot determine how much less likely they would have been to kill themselves had they not owned a gun, if at all.

I wonder how many people choose other methods of suicide (Hanging/Drug OD) when they had a gun available.

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4 points

When I was a medic for 15 years, I was paged out to 4 suicides, two self hanging, one OD, and one wrist slashing, (all male). Nor can I remember any reports of suicide by gun either. There were also good number of attempted OD’s though. And this was in a rural community where almost every home had at least one gun and often more.

I don’t think anyone could prove one way or another why guns didn’t seem to be a choice for suicidal people in that community. I certainly don’t know. But people who are not of sound mind often do strange things for inscrutable reasons.

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Probably approaching zero. If you want to die, a gun has a very, very high probability of succeeding, and you’re unlikely to feel pain (assuming that you don’t miss the important parts of your brain). Hanging means–at best–breaking your neck and severing your spinal cord, and then dying by lack of blood flow to the brain while still feeling the pain from the broken neck. At worst, you fail to break your neck and then choke to death for several minutes. (This used to be the way hanging worked; rather than breaking their necks, execution victims would strangle. It could take longer than 10 minutes in some cases.) ODs tend to be quite survivable if someone finds you before brain death occurs, and ODing on certain OTC medications–like acetaminophen-- will take a few days to kill you from organ death. Cutting your wrists is absolutely going to hurt. Asphyxiation is difficult unless you’re doing so with an inert gas; CO2 buildup causes an involuntary panic reaction. Jumping is only fairly certain once you have access to something over five stories tall; less than that, and you’re likely to have injuries ranging from mild to catastrophic (although head-first onto concrete at three stories is pretty likely, if you can force yourself into a dive like that). Back when they used coal gas for cooking in England, that was a pretty common method. Likewise, mixing barbiturates and alcohol worked pretty well, until benzodiazepines almost entirely supplanted barbiturates.

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23 points

Having guns makes us less safe, and ideally we would have similar restrictions to other nations. Unfortunately, it’d take decades to actually get rid of all our guns, even if the second amendment was repealed tomorrow. As a result, us queers need to adapt to the dangerous reality and arm ourselves openly as a threat to the right wingers that worship the 2nd amendment.

So fascists, you want no restrictions? You want more guns then people? Then you have to face transmasc antifa super soldiers with higher T than you and transfem snipers with better aims than you. Don’t like it? Sorry, your conservative Supreme Court made it near impossible to place restrictions on guns, and there’s so many in circulation that even strict restrictions can’t hold anyone back. Oops 🤷‍♀️

The power of armed queers is intimidation; to make the phobes think twice about fucking with us. As the Dutch resistance hero Willem Arondeus defiantly said before his execution, “Tell people that homosexuals are not cowards.”

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4 points

And my axe!

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Do you realize how stupid that sounds? I mean, yes, it makes sense that would be the most common form of suicide, quick and painless, but that like saying all gun owners are suicidal. Me owning a gun doesn’t increase my likelihood to die, it’s just that using a gun is easier than other options when someone does commit suicide, and it makes sense the number of people doing this is so high when you consider anywhere from 10-30% of America’s are diagnosed with depression, and close to half of Americans own a gun.

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7 points

There is an element of ease of access to suicide methods that influence attempt likelihood and success but it’s very hard to determine whether someone would choose a different method or stop. Or if they would just show up as a death of despair down the line.

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4 points

Then I wonder how many people have access to rope and why hanging doesn’t dominate the statistic.

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If you dont know how to hang yourself(it’s actually kinda hard), your death will be extremely painful and it will take a long time. Shooting yourself is one of the most effective, immediate and painless ways of killing yourself.

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Except neither study is talking about the most the most common form of suicide. They’re both reporting higher rates of suicide among gun owners.

Me owning a gun doesn’t increase my likelihood to die

That’s literally what both studies are saying. From the first one:

Men who owned handguns were eight times more likely than men who didn’t to die of self-inflicted gunshot wounds. Women who owned handguns were more than 35 times more likely than women who didn’t to kill themselves with a gun.

From the second one:

in Wyoming, where 63 percent of households reported owning guns—rates of suicide were higher. The inverse was also true: where gun ownership was less common, suicide rates were also lower.

Also from the second source,

Studies show that most attempters act on impulse, in moments of panic or despair. Once the acute feelings ease, 90 percent do not go on to die by suicide.

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People who want to kill themselves and don’t have access to a gun sometimes just give up and decide to live instead. Suicidal thoughts are not always persistent, they are fleeting. Having easy access to a gun is just another way to turn a temporary feeling into a permanent choice. It doesn’t make you more likely to commit suicide, but it does make it more likely that a suicidal ideation turns into a suicidal action.

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Anime girl loses a point for not covering the space between her eyes; iirc it’s one of the most important data points for facial recognition.

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10 points

Maybe she has colored contacts in to confuse facial regognition.

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13 points

The measurement in question is the distance between tear duct to tear duct, across the nose; which in this case seems to be 3 metres.

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4 points

God I really need to go back in time and bludgeon everyone on the cusp of inventing facial recognition with a golf trophy don’t I.

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24 points

remember, gun control started getting stricter and stricter because the black panrher party was arming themselves

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