Honestly I can’t understand why the “hush money” is all the rage. THIS is the crime that would put ANY other American into a supermax. This isn’t justice.
The “hush money” framing is such a cutesy, bullshit spin to neuter the actual repeated and unapologetic fraud here. Basic human and business ethics concerns to side for a moment, It’s purely fraud against the American people without remorse and it’s actual election interference.
You wouldn’t say that a serial killer that stabs and kills their victims is on trial for “night night pokes”. How was this allowed to get casually accepted like this without challenge from society?
I don’t even know if they care about the -ism, they want a pyramid system with them above the law. Like Russia with Putin and his clique of friendly oligarchs who can do whatever they want, until they displease him, which is when suddenly they’ll get arrested for “corruption”.
Can you expand more on the election interference part?
Totally understand inciting an insurrection to be interference, but using campaign funds to manage public relations problems seems a legitimate use.
That was not the legal issue of the case, though. Campaigns have to be very transparent with how they spend contributions, for obvious reasons, and it was easy to prove that this appropriation was obfuscated.
using campaign funds to manage public relations problems seems a legitimate use
It is.
What he did was try to hide payments made to benefit his campaign. Would you consider illegally financing a campaign to be election interference?
The business records fraud case (“hush money” is misleading what it was) is just the first case that nothing blocked it from proceeding.
Documents case is blocked by Canon, J6 is blocked by SCOTUS, I guess the Georgia case could proceed too, but was maybe more complicated than this one.
Georgia is blocked due to complaints of impropriety between the DA and her special council.
The claim is that the DA selected the special prosecutor because of their personal relationship and het ability to use this relationship to influence the special council.
And that they used money paid to special council for personal stuff. It is bullshit, but afaik they where ordered to pick one. If the DA stays the special council needs to be replaced or vice versa.
The DA was just reelected… and swapping special council means the new one needs to get up to apeed. Causing more delays. In my opinion, Georgia is also not happening before November regrettably (short of a hilarious twist of faith).
Because the hush money case is the only case that is likely to happen before the election.
The J6 case in DC got screwed by the Supreme Court refusing to take the appeal before waiting for the DC appeals court to rule. It was obvious that the Supreme Court was going to step in and rule, so Jack Smith requested them to just take the case and they declined saying they wanted to let the DC court decide first. Then they took the appeal a month or so later anyways. Now they have held hearings, but even if they rule against Trump, all they have to do is delay until late July and they know that the justice department won’t be able to resume the trial in time.
In the documents case, which is the most fundamentally simple case, Eileen Cannon has ratfucked the whole process to the point that it’s unlikely to start before July. It should be an open and shut case, but she’s entertaining all sorts of crazy legal theories and giving them months to elaborate on them.
It’s been 4 fucking years since Trump has left office. A regular person would never get his trial delayed for that long. If a trial can be delayed for 4 fucking years just because the accused is a powerful individual, it means that the rule of law doesn’t apply the same to everyone. If powerful people are exempt from the rule of law, democracy is dead.
Cannon
Out of interest, isn’t there a way in the US justice system to take a clearly not impartial judge off a case? I think it’s proven beyond any reasonable doubt that her tactics are politically motivated and unnatural / untypical compared to the usual procedure…
Just like with police, judges and politicians both have LOWER expectations for conduct than the random citizen for some reason.
We random normal people have to disclose & avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest working for ordinary boring companies. I’ve taken that training more than once.
The hush money one is the first one to actually go to trial, so it’s mostly that. The documents case is basically suppressed until they can somehow get rid of this judge, and the other 2 cases are also being held up in places.
The hush money case isn’t likely to put him in prison though, I don’t think there’s any precedent of a politician going to prison for that. And of course there’s going to be appeals that can easily push it until past November.
There’s plenty of precedent for locking people up when the steal classified documents. It doesn’t matter if they’re a politician.
By ‘this one’, I meant the hush money case. I agree that the documents case is the most serious one (and also deliciously ironic given his 2016 criticism of Hillary’s classified emails).
It’s my understanding that there’s a pretty ironclad contract between the government and a cleared individual. This is really just a matter of enforcement, and it’s hard to see how this isn’t one of the most brazen and extensive cases of mishandling classified material. Better people have gone to prison for a lot less, so I say again: no justice.
I have known of people getting dishonorable discharges for simply looking at classified information they were not supposed to, careers over due to misunderstanding or picking a document up after an accident.
If someone other than Trump had all these documents they would be gone from the earth. We would never hear from them again as the FBI went through their life to figure out who else was involved and how they got away with boxes of these documents.
And it is going to get overturned on appeal. It was an obvious political trial with a judge that donated to Biden, his daughter was bringing in millions because of the trial and the prosecutor ran for office pledging to take down Trump. That’s why Trumps bringing in record donations from small donors now.
And I’m sure you’re equally as concerned about the conflict of interest from a judge that Trump appointed overseeing one of his trials, right? Surely you are of the opinion that Cannon should have recused herself at the very beginning, right?
Absolute dumbass commentary. The jury decided the case, not the judge. Trump literally had no defense to the allegations other than bald denials. The evidence that he did the crimes was written in paper and undeniable.
Don’t a lot of people run for office on a platform of arresting and convicting people who commit crimes, though? Or am I missing something?
What’s it like living in your world?
You Americans are fucking wild right now. I hope you have a civil war to sort this shit out proper, like you did with slavery.
it’s not hush money. there’s literally nothing illegal about paying to kill a story. this case was about election interference, and the media’s inability to report that is such a key tell.
trump didn’t pay to hush people up, he paid so they wouldn’t wreck his campaign. that’s where the crimes come from. that and tax evasion.
Now, all that said: I spent nearly a decade in the army. The way he handled sensitive and secret info during his term, and then taking it home after - this shit cannot stand. How can we expect an 18 year old to take their responsibilities seriously while letting this shit slide?
it’s fucking bonkers. if anyone else tried this they’d be waiting for their trial in federal prison, they’d never see the light of day etc.
She got lucky because the Secretary of State was specifically carved out of the data management rules. That loophole has since been closed.
You have to try to commit treason.
It’s one of the few crimes explicitly defined in the Constitution.
Unfortunately, I doubt that we’ll ever see him charged.
I’m staying positive - I think his support is going to waver in the coming months and I don’t think he’s going to win the election.
I have noticed the loudest, most obnoxious supporters have grabbed the microphone and are screaming. But, the middle of the road folks seem to have abandoned him.
Don’t rest on your laurels. We need to drive as many people as possible to vote for the Democratic Party to the polls this November. I don’t give a fuck about you if you vote traitor GOP. Kiss my ass and stay home, you do nothing but make the world worse.
I think calling for an overthrow of the government counts. But what do I know?
It doesn’t count. You need to wage war or aid/comfort the states enemies.
If they can prove he did something with the documents, eg sold Intel to Iran, for example, there’s likely a case. Saudi it gets complicated since the US doesn’t call them an enemy.
Either way, nothing in the case comes close to justifying a treason charge, though he clearly was acting against the best interests of the country.
Is there literally only one picture of this dead inside person?
Those complaints filed since May 16 “appear to be part of an orchestrated campaign,” according to Pryor, whose appellate court reviews cases arising from federal district courts in Florida, Georgia and Alabama.
Well, yeah. Any kind of change requires a coordinated effort to get enough attention for something to happen.
True but if we switched sides here for a moment the left would be yelling foul play and I’m a Democrat. Just lots of visible hypocrisy
The other side already sends death threats and is calling for a war over a conviction against Trump by a jury of their peers. I dunno if I’d be that concerned about their take on hypocrisy.
When Republicans make a concerted effort , they call for violence against their opponents. When Democrats do it, they write strongly worded letters.
Except that’s terrorists doing terrorist things. If instead they were filing thousands of formal complaints against judge Merchan, that would be different.
Sure, but why not just be better than them in every single aspect we can be? How about we let Jack Smith do what he’s obviously trying to do and not do bullshit like this.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/03/politics/cannon-orchestrated-complaints-trump/index.html
It obviously did nothing good. It only makes us look bad. There was no way this would ever go in our favor. You’re using the excuse of they did bad stuff so we can stoop a bit also. How about not?
If we switched sides here for a moment it would be Hillary testifying multiple times in actual purely political questionings and the Repubs still finding nothing worth going after. Nobody would be screeching or sending death threats.
If we switched sides it would be whatever the fuck these top investigators are doing on the Hunter Biden Laptop case. None of us give a shit beyond thinking it is dumb as fuck. Again, nobody is sending death threats.
You notice how you go completely outside the context of this situation?
Let’s say Hillary was on trial and we had a situation like Trump’s. If Republicans did this exact orchestration of complaints I guarantee you this sub would be screeching about obstructing justice and anything else related.
I feel like you’re going to have a hard time sticking to the context of this situation and not go about what Republicans have already done which I know and understand but that doesn’t mean we should be doing bullshit like this.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/03/politics/cannon-orchestrated-complaints-trump/index.html
It obviously did nothing good. It never was going to. What was the point of it? Why cheer it on? Why not just let Jack Smith corner her like he obviously is doing and not interfere?
Please tell me how this was actually a good thing vs just bad overall. It’s extremely hypocritical for us to raise pitchforks toward the right about everything they do and then cheer something like this on. Sure, it’s not as low as the right has gone but that does not give any reason for why this was the right thing to do over just letting Jack do what he’s doing.
Now complaints can’t even be sent in. Way to go Democrats. You blocked off all complaints for a judge about something we all know she’s doing. So now if there is anything new to complain about, shit outta luck.
Like, cmon dude. You’re allowed to be critical of your own political party. Just because Republicans have done what they have doesn’t mean we should start doing shit like this.
Congrats, look what You’ve done
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/03/politics/cannon-orchestrated-complaints-trump/index.html
You think this actually did anything good? Seriously? If there was a case against Democrats and Republicans did this exact same thing you guys would be spewing about how they’re trying to stop justice and messing with the legal system. Nothing good was done by this.
And yes, you can actually be a Democrat but see outside the echo chamber of social media. How about you let Jack Smith do what he’s trying to do and not allow this bullshit to be cheered on.
Now please tell me why I can’t be a Democrat just because I decide to call something out that obviously will do no good for anyone? I would love to hear it. It’s crazy how if you don’t fit all the criteria on social media of the echo chamber you suddenly can’t be what you claim. It’s so hypocritical, especially for Democrats to say shit like that
Guess what? You’re actually allowed to criticize your own political party believe it or not. The Democratic party isn’t supposed to be a cult but when you aren’t even allowed to criticize your own party it really starts to look like one doesn’t it?
Not holding my breath, but crossing my fingers anyway…
Not sure where I saw it on youtube, but there was a video telling how to report federal judges for bias was posted. Within the last week or 2.
Edit: Here it is.
