June 28 (Reuters) - A group of U.S. voters who were unable to choose between Joe Biden and Donald Trump before Thursday’s presidential debate delivered their verdicts after the contest and it was almost universally bad news for Biden.
Of the 13 “undecideds” who spoke to Reuters, 10 described the 81-year-old Democratic president’s performance against Republican candidate Trump collectively as feeble, befuddled, embarrassing and difficult to watch.
I’m sorry, but if you went into the debate not knowing who to vote for where the fuck have you been for eight years?
And to come out the other side saying, “yea the orange lunatic lied to my face about everything , but on the other hand Biden looked kind of tired and stumbled on his words. I think I’ll vote for the convicted felon.”, I mean, are we humans really just this stupid?
I mean, are we humans really just this stupid?
Yes, yes we are. I feel your pain. I said it before and I’ll say it again: I would personally vote for a corpse, but it’s not me you have to convince.
And if I want to be slightly more kind and less impatient, many humans may mean well, but are so woefully uneducated and uninformed that they fall prey for the mass amount of right-wing misinformation from billions of dollars injected into the media-stream.
This is what happens when you try to substitute undecided voters for your progressive base. It’s always been a dumb, high-risk strategy, but it’s the only way neoliberals can put off being phased out.
Hey, just curious: who is down-voting this Reuters article and why? Come now, don’t be shy!
I encourage people not to bury their heads in sand to ignore hard truths.
So is 8, but this post is getting upvoted just fine…https://lemmy.world/post/17050256
Yep, if it doesn’t go with lefts narrative, they just downvote it. Facts, or nothing else matters. What you just posted proves it. I’ve also noticed that a lot of the comments from the left are very childish, and always made me think that a lot of them are either just the young keyboard warrior type that doesn’t have a job, or that their just bots or something. It seems like they have a lot of supporters online, but when’s the last time you’ve seen someone with a Biden bumper sticker, Tshirt, flag, sign in their yard, etc.? I know I never see them
This is a focus-group of undecided voters – a small population set to begin with and a sample set designed to be small, but who will clearly decide this election on the margins. You do understand how focus groups work and quite literally all campaigns use these, correct?
And finally, little data is better than no data. Nobody came away from the debate thinking Biden won; so it’s not particularly a stretch to see this would hurt him with critical battleground state undecided voters.
Edit: Whew, talk about vote manipulation. I’m astounded by the complete and utter lack of substantive rebuttal.
13 “undecideds” is a poor sampling. Given one of the “undecideds” was basically between Biden or third party, they didn’t control for any “never-Bideners” or “never-Trumpers”.
Add on this level of ignorance:
Hands down I would vote for a liar and a convict over a person who doesn’t seem to be all there mentally.
You’re basically scraping the bottom of the barrel to force a clickbait headline and choosing the most bombastic quote from them to include.
You’re getting downvotes because it’s pretty much never the case of someone honestly and in good faith posting seemingly pro-Trump rhetoric. It always starts out nice, but devolves into the quote above like “I like the convicted felon”.
You don’t publish initial results without a significant population sample. 13 people is an abysmal sample size. You need around 10% of a population polled up until about 1,000 people because of the way the curve levels out. 100 people minimum to get something remotely confident. The confidence level of this poll is so low that the publishing of it is irresponsible and unethical.
To your argument about the other poll having only 8, that’s also irresponsible. Both articles are clearly jumping to conclusions in an effort to grab views. However, that it received a more positive response is clearly indicative of the way the lemmy population leans. That’s really about all you can grab from that… Well, that and people have no idea how statistical averaging works.
Focus groups aren’t meant to be used for gaining an understanding of a broad swath of the population. Focus groups are used for exploratory research, concept testing, and understanding the “why” behind opinions and behaviors.
If you want to generalize trends towards large populations, you’re going to need a large sample size. It’s statistics that suggests that many respondents will leave you with extremely low confidence in the outcome.
For example, if you are trying to judge the voting preferences of a population of 100,000 people, you’ll need 383 randomly sampled people in a survey to reach a 95% confidence interval. 13 is nowhere near the amount of people required to cover those that considered themselves “independents” before the debate.
That’s not to say this tells us nothing, but it’s by no means a predictive study.
*edit: I actually would say it’s harmful because I think that it portrays the narrative as if it is predictive, when it’s not.
You want the reason we’re down voting you and the post? Because anyone undecided is a fucking moron so we don’t give a shit what they think. Same with those voting for Trump.
One of us… One of us… One of us…
Lemmy is just as bad as reddit but with fewer people. Downvotes aren’t tied with the source but just the content.
“Space garbage kills puppy” post will be downvoted to oblivion and “Reddit CFO becomes homeless says BuzzFeed paparazzi” will get 1000 up votes.
There’s also a lot of Biden supporters having a nervous breakdown right now
Lemmy/Reddit is full of Dems and any article that goes against the narrative of the day gets downvoted and it’s the same with comments. It’s not how it’s supposed to work but it does
Lemmy echo chamber doing it’s things… globalist wokie hard working people…
