It’s mind boggling that pro-Palestinian voters would support Trump. I understand opposing Biden and Harris supporting Israel, but Trump will be unquestionably worse for Palestinians.
Yep, the vast majority of pro-Palestinian voters and Palestinians themselves have been suggesting Claudia De La Cruz, Jill Stein, and Cornel West, not Trump.
None of those candidates will get more than low single digit percentages of the vote. You can vote your conscience or vote pragmatically. Voting pragmatically means voting for Harris to prevent Trump from winning.
So practical that you’ve all totally lost your moral compass. Who would write their name under a column that has active genocide support marked off? Blows mu mind that you people act like you have some sort of practical moral high ground while actively supporting genocide (voting is an act).
I’m voting both pragmatically and with my conscience by voting for Claudia De La Crúz. The Democrats can gain my vote by sanctioning Israel or taking similar measures.
All candidates propped up by Republicans to siphon votes from Harris. We have a shitty system, but the way it works is Harris or Trump or abstain because you don’t care.
I don’t have a problem with people voting for a third party as long as they admit they are good with Trump winning. It’s great to see socialists and greens showing up at the polls and voting for progressive candidates at every level. I just can’t stand the naivety of a third-party voter thinking they are going to teach Harris a thing or two.
This isn’t Bush v Gore where it was two centrist oligarchs battling it out to be more pro-business. The is President Donald J Trump Part II, this time with more fascism and executive immunity. If you lived through the first term and think, “yeah, I don’t care if that guy comes back,” then I don’t know how to even relate as a human. Harris ain’t perfect, but she must win.
All candidates propped up by Republicans to siphon votes from Harris. We have a shitty system, but the way it works is Harris or Trump or abstain because you don’t care.
Do you legitimately believe Claudia De La Crúz is propped up by Republicans? The Reps and Dems collaborated on kicking them off the ballot in some states.
I don’t have a problem with people voting for a third party as long as they admit they are good with Trump winning. It’s great to see socialists and greens showing up at the polls and voting for progressive candidates at every level. I just can’t stand the naivety of a third-party voter thinking they are going to teach Harris a thing or two.
The Dems will only ever move to regain votes they’ve lost, otherwise they go to the right like their donors want.
This isn’t Bush v Gore where it was two centrist oligarchs battling it out to be more pro-business. The is President Donald J Trump Part II, this time with more fascism and executive immunity. If you lived through the first term and think, “yeah, I don’t care if that guy comes back,” then I don’t know how to even relate as a human. Harris ain’t perfect, but she must win.
Harris and Trump are nearly identical on foreign policy, which includes genocide, and neither are good for America. If you can’t relate to me, that’s fine, genocide is a firm red line for me so I will listen to Muslim Americans and Palestinians, who are recommending candidates like Stein and Claudia De La Crúz.
When you factor in first past the post voting, those options all become bad, and not because of the candidates or their position on the genocide. Great little video explaining the core of the issue:
I’m 100% aware of how FPTP works. I understand that if I vote for Claudia De La Crúz instead of Harris, that means Trump is more likely to win. I also know that if I vote for Claudia De La Crúz instead of Trump, that means Harris is more likely to win.
Given that I would never vote for either genocidal entity, I am not “taking away” votes for Harris. She can promise to sanction Israel or otherwise put an end to the genocide, and I would likely pivot to vote for her, as she would have fundamentally changed my single largest issue with her, despite thinking she has awful policy in general. However, this vote would be one she had earned, not regained.
In a duopoly, it ultimately doesn’t matter. But there’s no fucking way I’d ever vote for Donald Trump. I don’t hate myself that much.
Kinda fucked up to say Muslim-Americans should enjoy being deported for not supporting either genocidal candidate and instead voting Green or Socialist.
I pay plenty of attention, particularly to what Muslim-Americans and Palestinians are saying. You should stop acting like a western-chauvanist thinking you know better than the people directly and indirectly affected by Biden’s genocidal policies that Harris has promised to continue.
I think it’s a reference to something trump said recently about deporting immigrants
Yep, but it’s directed in a chauvanistic manner, implying Muslim-Americans are stupid and ignorant for voting third party, unaware of what Trump would do.
Why is that bad advice to vote for someone you agree with? It isn’t like American elections are in any way real or the government of the United States gives a fuck about the people who live there.
It isn’t like American elections are in any way real or the government of the United States gives a fuck about the people who live there.
Pfft! Obviously elections in the USA are legitimate. After all, every single US state and electoral district is situated entirely on land that the USA legally annexed, right?
Because if you don’t do as the others then you’re perceived as personally attacking their bandwagon comfort. Said another way, your nuanced ideology is far less important than their shallow feelings.
It isn’t that, it’s the deeply unfortunate math behind a seemingly fair voting method called first past the post:
