159 points

Having a touchscreen to operate your car with is a safety hazard compared to having buttons and knobs.

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34 points

My Mazda had a nice combination of touch screen which disabled itself when the vehicle was in motion and you could then use the rotary control instead. Was really nice and intuitive with entirely separate AC, heated seats etc controls.

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14 points

I had a rental Mazda and I have to say, that rotary control is the worst combination of tactile and touch interface I have seen to date. Maybe that gets better after using it for 6 months, but I can more or less memorize touch interface control positions in that same timeframe and without the distraction of figuring out which element the rotary dial highlight moved to this time.

I would rather have had full touch than that monstrosity.

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4 points

I enjoy it on my Mazda, find it super easy to use and safer than a touch screen. To each their own.

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7 points

I have a Mazda like this. I absolutely hate it.

I have a small built-in touchscreen on the top of the dashboard which is visible in my peripheral vision while driving. But it turns off touch controls while the car is moving. And the physical controls are in the center console behind my manual stick, on the passenger’s side. So I have to blindly feel around for my knobs and buttons while driving, or take my eyes completely off the road to look down at my center console.

It would be safer if I could just tap the screen quick while keeping my eyes facing the road, versus trying to search for knobs down next to my passenger’s thigh.

I also hate that this newer model removed the mute button from my steering wheel. I used to be able to immediately mute my radio by pressing that button on my 2010 Mazda. But in my new 2017 Mazda, I need to find the tiny volume knob by my passenger’s thigh and slap that knob. I still have volume buttons on my steering wheel, but I can’t immediately mute by holding the down volume button. So I need to go searching for that knob, which is more time I’m not looking at the road.

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6 points

My Mazda has the same controls and I’ve never really felt like they’re hard to find. The button layout makes a lot of sense and the large center wheel is easy to find so you can use it as a reference point to find the other buttons easily (I pretty much just use the home and music buttons and that volume knob).

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Even just the bright light from it is a hazard.

I turned down my dash panel for the “plus lights” night mode (my car is a 2012 Honda civic, so night mode is literally whenever I turn on the headlights) because it was so blindingly bright I couldn’t stand it.

I was in car with a friend with a Prius… not a super new one, but with the central touch center of shit and it never got very dim… it was always just this distracting light in the middle of the car. I literally would not be able to drive that car, my attention would be drawn to the light because I like dark. But then it also reflects off the windshield and shit and just nope.

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1 point

Techbro tries to demonstrate that he’s not fundementally disconnected from society challenge: impossible

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Depends how well the voice controls work. I have been so frustrated with AI assistants’ inability to understand simple instructions while I’m driving that it has become a serious distraction at times. I have never found myself yelling at knobs.

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6 points

When I’m driving, all the people I yell at are knobs

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89 points

What cooks my god damn goose isn’t the stupid screen I’m going to break one day. It’s that they run buses for other systems through the radio so you can’t replace it with what you want.

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60 points

Yep, infotainment and HVAC should have different control systems entirely. If your radio dies it should not mean the death of your car completely. And I consider not having access to your government mandated cameras and defrosters a dead vehicle.

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17 points

I had a 1988 Pontiac 6000. I took out the radio/tape unit and replaced it with a CD player. My goddam cruise control was disabled after that. They’ve been running other systems through the radio forever.

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3 points

I take trips to Tallinn. Beautiful city. I use the car share apps there for convenience. Pick up a car and park wherever. I get to try out many different cars, if only for a while. I hate touch screens. One even was set with brightness to zero and I was unable to change it.

Dials and knobs for everything please.

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Lived in Eesti for several years back in the 90’s mainly in Nõmme and Lasnamäe. Beautiful country, amazing people. Hotel Viru had its own cool vibe back then, and Vanalinn in the winter is breathtaking. If I could apply for citizenship, I do it in heartbeat.

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1 point

Why are you going to break it one day?

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57 points

Embrace tradition

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16 points

That one we can accept modern ebikes.

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3 points

Yep. Usually I’m bluffing when I say “I’ll die before I buy [a smart TV/a phone with a selfie cam hole punch/a computer running Windows/a console without a disc tray],” but there are real alternatives to buying these death traps. I could stand to lose weight anyway.

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I would, if there were any bike lanes in my city.

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3 points

There are in mine once you’re in the city, but there’s a river and a freeway between there and here.

I miss biking to work.

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51 points

… I’M JUST SAYING.

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12 points

That seems so GM

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5 points

Admitely the better solution than the more modern featureless knob you have to look where it currently was.

That or a knob where you feel the position.

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5 points

For our younger audience: this is from when the show Cheers was popular, that’s why there’s a “Norm” setting.

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4 points

Pretty sure this was the exact control panel my mom’s 80s Ford Econoline van had.

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3 points

Yup. You can move the levers to one extreme and blindly gauge where it’s supposed to be. Also: each of these things provide additional feedback (fan direction, speed, etc) so you don’t even need to memorize detents or positions for stuff.

I will say that the temp lever, over time, gets very sticky and hard to move. Other than that: it’s good design.

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46 points

Can we add ‘cars with spare tires’ to the list?

Having to call a damned tow-truck just to get a flat tire fixed is not a winning move if you’re trying to sell how much your car benefits the environment.

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30 points

Wait, new cars don’t have spare tires? Wtf has the world come to?

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17 points

First they switched to the mini-spares. Then they got rid of them altogether.

If you’re lucky, there are little filler canisters and a cigarette lighter-powered air compressor to let you get slowly to a tire shop. Sometimes, not even that. If there’s a nail or a blowout, tow-truck city. Just hope it’s not out in the middle of nowhere in the dark or in bad weather.

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5 points

And keep in mind that the Fix-a-Flat kind of spray will make your tire unrepairable.

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1 point

I could see that if they ran run-flats. If not, they could fuck off with that bullshit.

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9 points

Many new cars have “run-flats,” which can be used even if they get a puncture/go flat.

However, they are more expensive, they don’t function under certain kinds of flats (e.g., sidewall damage), they have limited range, and limited speed.

The tiny “donut” spares on some cars are also not intended for high speeds, but I’d much prefer that to a punctured run-flat. (You should probably place the donut on the rear of your car is front wheel drive, though.)

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(You should probably place the donut on the rear of your car is front wheel drive, though.)

I read somewhere that you should always replace a back wheel with a donut spare, even if that means swapping a punctured front wheel with an original back wheel. The donut spares are so flimsy that they can’t be trusted to reliably handle the side loads a front wheel experiences when your car is turning.

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3 points

I thought that was a legal safety requirement in the US.

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2 points

Do you know in the US, the car maker can make a car use brake lamp as a turn signal? The standard is weird.

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2 points

Yeah it turns out no one uses them or keeps em pumped up or applies that rubber stuff to em to keep em in good shape so the manufacturers replaced em with “24 hr roadside assistance”.

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4 points

Spare tires have come in handy many times in my life! And im only 30. Fuck 24 hour roadside assistance i can put a spare on faster than they can get out to me

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I feel like the saved weight could be a net benefit for the environment

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1 point

I very much prefer the extra cargo space. I have never had a flat tire. I go on vacations/road trips every year, multiple times.

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