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Music in a movie instructs you on how you are supposed to feel about what’s going on. Even if the music is telling you to feel uncomfortable, it’s comforting to have that instruction. No music, no comfort.

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No Comfort for Musicless Films

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6 points

Maybe the filmmaker realized that even narrative is comforting.

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In television too it is a huge factor.

I remember hearing that some reality show (Big Brother maybe?) didn’t have any soundtrack in the beginning, and the audience couldn’t decide how to feel about the somewhat mundane things going on.

No idea if that’s true or not.

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I heard Todd from breaking bad was the best depiction of a psychopath in media. He’s not just outright evil like Anton he just doesn’t really have feelings of guilt or remorse like normal people.

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There are many flavors of murdering psychopaths. A few mass murderers from history would’ve been called cliche portrayals today.

The banality of evil is what needs to be learned. Much like fascist rhetoric sounds stupid and is obvious in a vaccuum, when people are drenched in it, A LOT of people slowly succumb to the horrible attitude even if they never start explicitly supporting fascistic positions.

It is poison much like mental illness becomes a poison, slowly enabling mostly normal people to do terrible things, like Todd. Todd was only a psychopath in that he exhibited no sympathy, which a lot of “normal” psychopaths have. It took an enabling environment to turn Todd in to a dengerous captor and murderer.

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Dan Carlin called fascism, among other things, an “intellectual contagion.”

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Most ideologies and religions are “viral” in the way they spread. Being able to think critically is how one stays immune.

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Can we just take a moment to appreciate how genius a performance that was? Pre-Breaking Bad, I had no feelings about Jesse Plemons one way or the other. Now, every time I see him in something, I immediately think “What’s this personified incarnation of evil up to now?”

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Fuckin Dead Eyed Todd! Dude always creeped me out. So much so that I find it hard not to see that character in everything else that actor has done.

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His small role in Civil War was so creepy and memorable.

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I don’t think Anton was outright evil. I don’t think you consider yourself evil for swatting a fly. To Anton people who crossed him were no different than flies to be swatted. And of course killing (or trying to kill) some people, like Moss, were just part of the job. He was simply violent because it was in his nature.

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I think “killing people like they were flies” disqualifies you from anything above “neutral” on the morality chart, like pretty handily too.

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In the book Anton is a personification of human evil as a natural force a bit like The Judge in Blood Meridian. The film is more ambiguous I think mainly due to the medium making the character more human by being played by an actor.

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I think it’s safe to say that this is a pretty incomprehensible standard for most. Could you explain what would make him evil? Viewing people as people, for example?

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Wouldn’t this be better with 1.) said group actually being psychologists, and 2.) a link to verify this happened at all?

edit: Apologies, I had the two fields switched in my head, but my second point stands.

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Why would psychologists be better?

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Not sure if it’s the same in the US, but in France a psychiatrist’s area of expertise is drugs and their effect on our brain/body (and with each other), which is why they have to do a few years of med school. They also have some psychology knowledge obviously but it’s not their main focus, whereas a psychologist does not need any medical training (iirc) and specializes in psychology, and thus cannot prescribe drugs aside from over-the-counter stuff, although a lot of them also have some psychiatry training to better interact with psychiatrists when needed

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Yep, that is exactly how it is in the US as well. Each Individual may vary, but the general thrust of their education is as you said, psychiatrists are generally med focused (technically they complete med school and then specialize in psych) and psychologist completes grad school (PhD. or PsyD.) with the focus on psych and learns a bit about meds (since they are likely a big part of the picture for some patients). Psychologist generally can’t prescribe meds (though there are some contexts where they can) and psychiatrists often don’t do therapy (though again exceptions exist). BOTH can and do give official diagnoses, though many healthcare systems are set up with psychologists (or other mental health providers LMFT, LCSW, Etc.) seeing and diagnosing first, with psychiatrists reviewing diagnoses only if prescribing meds.

Another poster mentioned needing a psychiatrist for official diagnoses, and that is false in the US.

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In the US a psychiatrist would be needed for a formal diagnosis. Psychologists can evaluate and treat with therapy but you need a psychiatrist for the formal diagnosis and medication.

Psychologists could watch the movies and give an opinion as well as a psychiatrist but it wouldn’t be necessary. An actual person with psychopathic traits would likely end up in the care of a psychiatrist.

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Psychiatrists are infamously bad at diagnosis. They better served treating than diagnosing.

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You’ve got it backwards.

A psychiatrist will prescribe medication, but that’s as far as their treatment usually goes. Their main purpose is diagnosis.

Psychologists are clinical therapists. They aren’t technically qualified to diagnose disorders, but may diagnose illnesses like depression.

There’s a lot of overlap of course, but that’s generally how it goes.

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Aren’t psychiatrists the ones with more in depth knowledge and the ones that can legally prescribe medications?

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12 points

Yeah, psychologists are the ones who haven’t gone through med school.

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1 point

If all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail.

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They tend to be more medicine focused and do less diagnostic.

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For me, the most unsettling part was how one of the most important scenes in the movie happens off camera.

I was like “Wait… Did I MISS that?” Nope. It just happens off camera.

No spoilers.

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That’s close to how it happens in the book. I believe there’s a single paragraph revealing that >!Moss was killed.!< Then the story moves along.

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Reddit-style angle-bracket-exclamation-point spoiler tags do not work on desktop Lemmy or, to my knowledge, any mobile app besides Sync. Lemmy spoiler tags work a little differently:

:::spoiler Text next to the arrow
Text inside the spoiler

which can be multiple lines
* and can contain *formatting*
* and other such niceties
:::

which produces this

Text next to the arrow

Text inside the spoiler

which can be multiple lines

  • and can contain formatting
  • and other such niceties
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The angle-bracket spoilers also work on the eternity client, as it’s just forked from some older reddit client. I made a spoiler oopsy recently with it.

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Fyi your way of doing spoilers isn’t showing up for me, here’s how they work on my client:

spoiler

This is a spoiler

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My eyes! You’ve spoiled them!!

/s

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3 points

They said the main story was supposed to be the sheriff’s. The other guy’s just kinda took over too much.

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I’m reminded of an old meme, it was a message taped to a dorm’s clothes dryer: “Whoever took my wet clothes out of the dryer and put yours in, you’re an asshole. Unfortunately for you, so am I. You can find your clothes outside frozen in the snowbank. Problem with that? Room 214.”

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It’s too bad that Room 214 had that run of inexplicable bad luck after that. It was probably just the haunting, though.

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Bullies don’t like picking on people that stand up for themselves.

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You get that from a poster? That’s dangerously irresponsible advice for someone who’s being bullied. 😶

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Isn’t that room 237?

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No, that’s a reasonable response.

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I would’ve put in something like “I did something to your clothes. Have fun finding out what”

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