18 points

A silver spoon though.

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20 points

We really need to run a lead test on that spoon

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10 points

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Funny - it’s the same for roughly 50% of Americans too - which is horrifying.

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Edit: sorry it was more than 50% of Americans. Fuck everyone. Goodbye.

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53 points

Even as someone who clashes with Lemmy.world users every post, I highly doubt Kamala doesn’t have the vast majority of American support over Trump. It’s that people don’t vote

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7 points

It’s always that people don’t vote. Support without votes is empty wind.

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71 points

That doesn’t change anything, tbh.

Apparently these people are at least complacent enough to let Trump become president. And that is horrifying.

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6 points

Yeah, that’s a decision

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33 points

Easy to say when you live somewhere that voting is easy.

You honestly think Jim Crow restrictions on voting ended? The Supreme Court itself struck down the Voting Rights Act, and now you can have a single polling station for a county.

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6 points

I really hate reading about how difficult it is to vote in some places. I live in a suburb that is far enough from the city that it borders some rural areas. The area is very white, and something like 3/4 red. And it is SO easy for me to vote. Every year I don’t even look into voting early or by mail because I can just roll into my polling location and fill out a ballot in minutes. And that polling location only has to accommodate my local neighborhood, like hundreds of people at most.

It’s wild how much work goes into disenfranchising people in more blue areas. How can so many people work towards that without having the “are we the baddies” moment? (Rhetorical question, I do have eyes and ears and am well aware of the shitty state of our culture)

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17 points

People that don’t bother to vote are as bad as Trump supporters. The true foundation of every autocratic regime is not fear, it’s not their real supporters, it’s people that don’t care what happens as long as it’s not happening to them (yet).

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39 points

It’s that people don’t vote

Yes but also no: it’s mostly that many people either CAN’T vote or can but only with extreme exercise of patience and stamina.

Get rid of all the ridiculous voter suppression obstacles and you’ll see a dramatic uptick in voting and a corresponding shift towards Dems winning almost every election, making the GOP unviable within a decade.

Neither major party wants that, though, since the Dem leadership counts on running on fear of Republicans so that they won’t have to go further left than the owner donors are comfortable with.

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If the Dems won every election on center left policies, the only option left to the Rs would be to do another party switch and go further left. That’s how we get an actual left wing party.

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31 points

Plus the system is rigged to count rural (and thus usually more conservative) votes more, so sane people have to turn out in greater numbers to keep sociopaths out of the white house

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9 points

Then the people whose votes don’t matter electorally decide that the popular vote isn’t relevant, so they don’t bother.

Hey guys! If Kamala wins the popular vote by >70% but loses the election, there will be riots. There could be a revolution. And she has the numbers to do that if you guys could just vote.

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I don’t know. There’s a surprising amount of stupid people here. They live in near poverty and are easily manipulated into hating others as the reason for their miserable lives. It’s really that simple in my opinion. Yes there are lots of people who don’t vote, but I’m not sure that it would change the current split if they all did vote. We need more and better education.

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I think that’s certainly part of it. Imo, it’s a few things more also, not that you said it wasn’t anything else too:

Included in what you said, voter suppression. People being bombarded into apathy, has really kicked up a notch. Its identifying who’s susceptible and spamming them like mad with things the data you have on them says will work specifically.

There’s a real core of people in every country thats incredibly easy to wind up with emotive narratives that have enough truthyness to override what might otherwise be sound critical judgment skills.

America’s real problem is that the direct line to those people and their data is owned by a very small group of very wealthy people. On top of that, you have interference from a country that seems to some how be even better than America at foreign election interference and they’re very pro trump.

That’s before you get to the Democrats who, even if they were or weren’t any good, have to sell their soul to the highest bidder just to come close to Republican election spending. The side who spends the most is always the side who wins and a democrat will only ever be given enough money to win if they compromise to an extent that they’re, right or wrong, not different enough for a lot of Americans.

My country’s greatest export is class subjugation. America’s is the manufacture of consent. America was amazing at it even before social media etc. which would be a dictators dream. Now, I’m not saying the people with all the power are as bad as bad as stalin or anything like that. But, with something like that at your disposal, you wouldn’t have to be.

TLDR: America is the ever evolving blueprint to how consent will be manufactured around the world.

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49 points

Watch the next Canadian election and be equally dumbfounded / terrified.

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43 points

At least that election season won’t last more than 7 weeks. Instead of this insane 2 year marathon the US has.

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28 points

Funny, I was watching tv and had a Canadian station on. Every other commercial break was a Pierre Putinfever ad.

In Canada, Elections campaigns can last a MAXIMUM of 50 days.

Somehow, in the past few years, the laws for campaign ads changed (thanks Crtc!) and they no longer fall into the category of a campaign.

And there are newish election laws that set out a ‘pre campaign period’ that allows further erosion of the campaign time limit restrictions.

That period - anytime after the last election.

Wtf.

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4 points

What makes it worse though is that the outcome is a lot less uncertain, and the picture is really bleak.

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13 points

2 year marathon is underselling it, I feel like we’ve been in election season since he came down that fucking escalator

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13 points

We kinda have been. The media has realized how much their viewership (and therefore ratings/money) goes up when they constantly doom and gloom, and that orange fuck has been running a reelection campaign from the moment the previous election was called.

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3 points

Our politics are nowhere near as toxic and disturbing as the US. At least our Conservative party respects election results.

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13 points

The social media chatter during the convoy was all about how jt stole the election.

We have the crazies.

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3 points

For now. Morons in Alberta fly Confederate flags, they’re getting fed the same right-wing bullshit. Everyone thought the Republicans would respect the transfer of power until January 6th.

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Do you guys have term limits? Why is Justin running for fourth time?

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6 points

No term limits.

An election must be called every 5 years at most. Sometimes an election will be a year or two after the last. The PM can call one anytime.

Technically, the PM is never elected. They’re the leader of the party. They don’t have to run. Or win.

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8 points

Because he’s delusional, and he’s surrounded himself with sycophants, everyone else in the party who thinks he should’ve taken a cue from Biden and stepped down has been moved to the “backbenches”

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5 points

To be fair, Justin is a prodigy at convincingly blowing hot air. It’s an essential skill for any politician, and he’s the best at it by far.

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4 points

Hey, remember when the liberal party of Canada ran and won on electoral reform? And then just went “nah bro” and didn’t get anything done about it?

Oopsie daisy gee golly isnt governing hard? Not that you would know because youre not in their club and you will never get a chance to govern.

Looks like now you have to vote for the liberals again or yous gets the conservatives again. Ahhh shucks ding dang it. What a conundrum. Quite the pickle ain’t it?

Sound familiar?

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3 points

Never voted liberal.

Will vote NDP again.

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0 points

Yeah sounds familiar and I’ll vote Trudeau if it is needed to stop conservatives from getting in power.

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1 point

I’m federalist and I’m voting Bloc. That’s how you know shit’s dire.

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1 point

Why? We are a multi party nation.

NDP is always pushed aside because people are scared of the cons.

The liberals are just as bad as the cons but in a different way.

Canada’s national identity is basically the results of the work of the NDP. Yet they are never given opportunity.

Look what happened in the States.

The fucking Antichrist now had another 4 years because the dems focused on their own interests instead of the common folk.

The liberals have ignored everyone but their faces in a mirror.

Nothing would have been accomplished if the NDP hadnt pushed them to.

Anyway, welcome to the tribulations.

People are clueless the literal hell they’ve unleashed.

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1 point

Ugh make it stop. Watching this past BC election was stressful enough.

The sad part is, as much as I hate PP, I’m so mad at Justin and the libs supporting him for not smartening the fuck up on this. People don’t like you, move the fuck on so that your party has a chance FFS. (But for the love of god don’t let Christy Clark step in lmao) 😭

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29 points

Genuine question, but why is Trump even allowed to run? I vaguely know that there are some restrictions on who can become President (you have to be a certain age and be born in the USA iirc), how can it be that “Hasn’t been convicted for any crimes recently” isn’t a requirement?

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41 points

because political dissidents who are in jail for trying to overthrow a dictatorship should also be able to run. it’s one of those unfortunate situations where this would be a good thing to have under an authoritarian government…

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7 points

It probably wouldn’t be allowed under an authoritarian government though…

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12 points

of course not. the american “system of checks and balances” only works if everyone plays by the rules.

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Under an authorisation government though I assume the law would be rescinded, so it’s not really protecting anybody.

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8 points

I mean becoming an authoritarian government to prevent an authoritarian government doesn’t really make sense

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4 points

I feel like they should introduce a rule that says that if you’re more bronzer than flesh, you’re not allowed to stand.

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22 points

He is literally barred from running by the Constitution because he committed an insurrection. Unfortunately the House, Senate, and Supreme Court are all somewhere between 50 and 67% Christofascist traitors.

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1 point

He literally isn’t. If he literally was, he wouldn’t be running. He literally should be, by a literal interpretation of the law, but that’s literally not what’s happened.

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It’s one of those safe-guards that democracy implements that’s currently having rather unintended consequences.

The reasoning is that taking away voting rights is far too easy to abuse, and if a majority of people agree with whomever you wanted to prevent from voting/getting elected then you’re fucked anyway.

Which, incidentally, is looking like a very real possibility right now.

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That reasoning is missing a crucial part: even if you’re fucked anyway, why is it still okay to put a criminal in charge? Will it improve anything? Or do we think of the “fucked” condition very differently?

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