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Don’t forget the fake communists bragging that they won’t support genocide and that’s why they’re not voting.

Hey, socialism angels: do you drive a car? Do you emit carbon dioxide that is projected to cause 1 billion deaths, mainly in poorer countries, by 2050? If so, why do you support genocide? You refuse to support genocide one day every 4 years, but actively participate the other 1460?

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Did you know that with more representative voting systems, people would be free to vote for whomsoever they wish, secure in the knowledge their vote would still be casted against those they don’t want in office?

I invite you to my asklemmy post to discuss your recent commitment to replacing First Past The Post voting in your state so people can vote freely.

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Calling out the objectively stupid people who are refusing to vote Harris over Gaza does not make someone inherently against better voting systems. I’m not even sure why you’re bringing that up as if it’s relevant; nobody was talking about it and most people here are for it anyway.

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Yes, drag very much enjoys voting for the socialist party in drag’s home state, which uses ranked choice voting. Drag can do what americans can’t, because people in drag’s country actually work to make things better, while americans think they can achieve voting reform by refusing to participate in politics.

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Drag doesn’t drive a car. Drag is improving society somewhat. And drag’s state has already implemented ranked choice voting.

Drag isn’t arguing against the idea of improving things, drag is complaining that you, personally, don’t do it.

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Yesterday’s John Oliver introduced me to the concept of vote swapping and I am so pissed this wasn’t pushed for third party/protest voters. Basically, if you live in a swing state and absolutely insist on not voting for the Dems, find someone in a blue state who planned on voting for Harris and let them do a protest vote on your behalf, while you vote for Harris on their behalf. Why didn’t I hear about this earlier?! (I live in Germany tho, so maybe it is a thing?)

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I did this back in 2000. I wanted to vote for Nader but lived in a swing state, so they connected me with someone in a solidly blue state and we swapped votes. And I’m surprised as you that we didn’t do it this time around.

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6 points

We should improve the system somewhat.

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Not voting for the lesser evil, thereby allowing the much greater evil to get into power, is not working to improve the system, medieval peasant.

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So then you disagree with GP, who called it supporting genocide.

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Yes we should. Drag is improving the system by not driving a car and campaigning for Harris. You seem to think you can improve the system by ignoring politics and continuing to drive your car.

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I don’t own a car either but unless we improve public transit and city planning in the US there are situations where not using a car is simply impractical. My city is enormous and while my ebike works for shopping trips and getting to places <20mi away, I can just barely reach downtown and back with it before it dies. If it’s pouring rain, it’s not waterproof and it gets me soaked which is both uncomfortable and a health hazard. There are a lot of activities promoted by leftists in my area that I don’t go to because I would be spending 3 hours in transit to get there and back and I simply don’t have time for that (and Uber is too expensive). There are other places that take 3 hours one way to get to on public transit but 20 minutes by car. Where I live is not at all designed with sustainable transit in mind, and while I don’t own a car here I don’t blame people for wanting to use one. Not to mention I have almost been killed multiple times because the cycling infrastructure here is 45mph 6 line roads with no sidewalk or bike lane.

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Then I’m doing an absolutely terrible job of both.

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I feel like this is a failure on the democrat side, beating donald should be trivial.

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In part, sure. But it’s also a failure of the voting public - primarily by not showing up to vote. The historic trend of low voter turnout got us to where we are today since it has enabled a minoritarian party with interests contrary to the vast majority of their constituents to win elections and shape the political landscape in ways that favor them.

It’s also a systemic failure since the US makes voting about as difficult as they can - but, again, that is mainly the fault of Republicans who have crusaded for years to repress the votes of minorities, women, and basically anyone who isn’t old and white.

It’s easy to blame the dems because they should have defended better, backed more pro-worker policies, etc. But if all eligible voters voted, basically no Republicans would ever win elections in this country. Maybe then we could have some actual progress attacking dems from the left.

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people who have voted blue entire life & even volunteered for obama have began to hate dnc since 2016 as it has become a front for superpacs rather than party of progressive policies and genuine leaders. harris biden just come of as too phony when they speak and then you look at their term and feel disgusted for getting scammed by them. no wonder the voter turnout is low when you see them all smug and cheerful launching games and doing comedy after ignoring you for four years.

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All reasonable arguments not to vote for Harris. But no arguments whatsoever to vote for Trump.

And unless the archaic and infuriatingly flawed election system is fixed, you’ve got a civic duty to pick the lesser of two evils.

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7 points

Repeal of the fainess doctrine has also had a major impact.

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Most people in here will never admit that. They basically love the status quo, even though it has produced Trumpism. They don’t understand how anyone could be dissatisfied with the status quo, so they think we just need to get past this election and everything will be nice and boring again. What they refuse to see is that when people are unhappy with the status quo, you win by offering them other options. Fascism is an option, and strong socialist policies are another.

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We blame them because we know the republicans, whose fault this obviously is, are a lost cause. The idea of them being open to being normal or cool just doesn’t even occur to us. Which only makes it even more their fault.

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career politician

You write ‘criminal prosecutor’ really strangely.

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You cannot spell criminal prosecutor without cop

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Attorney Generals are not a police position, they are in fact political. Mostly their office assists various police departments in interpretation of the legal system.

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That “career politician” refuses to follow the law, and stop supporting a genocide.

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Huh, a post history consisting of nothing but “What did Russia ever do wrong?” and “Dems bad because genocide”. How many rubles do you get paid per post?

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that doesn’t make him wrong. behaviour like this only makes us hypocrites.

the fact is biden is a genocider and harris preferred loosing the election over taking the a humane stance on this. both taking the largest donations from aipac in our election history also doesn’t look good.

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Thinking that speaking out and condemning Israel would help them whatsoever shows you have literally no idea how US politics work. Let me preface this with the following: I’m well aware of the absolute atrocities going on, I don’t think the US should be supporting Israel given the shit they’re pulling, and do wish they would take action against them.

However, speaking out would be FAR more damaging than anything they’ve done so far. Do you have any idea how many Christians in the US literally think of Israel as what will bring about the second coming of Christ, and thus not supporting them would basically be seen and spun as doing Satan’s work?

The Jewish population of the US is literally double that of the Muslim population, so purely from a numbers game, any chance of even denting that support would be suicidal.

Finally, there’s the absolutely comical mainstream media bias where the very moment Harris spoke out strongly against Israel, there’d be an endless spew of how she wants to wipe Israel off the map and finish what Hitler started.

I get it, it’s fucking frustrating and tiring and disgusting what’s going on, but it’s sadly the way it has to be played at the moment, and acting like Trump being elected has any chance at improving the situation is delusional at best.

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US foreign policy is supporting literal Nazis in Ukraine, ISIS in Syria, and genocide in Palestine.

At this point, it’s less embarrassing to be falsely accused of being Russian than to be correctly accused of being American. We’re the bad guys.

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The Nazis are in Russia, not Ukraine.

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Naw, you’re not the bad guys. You’re the clowns.

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I can’t wait for the Russian troll farm employees to get drafted.

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You’ll be waiting a long while then, because unlike NAFO trolls, that’s scarcely a thing.

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Still better than one of Putin’s stooges.

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You mean Putin?

Wait no, they aren’t supporting a genocide. They are actively committing one.

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Where? I haven’t read about a recent Russian genocide.

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In the definition that they’re trying to erase Ukrainian cultural identity.

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What law?

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Leahy Law

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3 points

So your only focus / concern is Israel? (if one dares to use “only” in this context)

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I have qualms about casting Harris as a “career” politician. He first election for DA was in 2003. To get from running for DA to running for US President in 21 years is a very short ride. She was born in 1964.

Hell, Trump ran for President (Reform Party) in 2000, so he’s been a “politician” longer than Harris. So if she’s a “career politician,” then so is he.

Not that there’s anything wrong with being a politician for a long time, as long as the politician is serving her constituents to their satisfaction and avoids corruption.

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Besides simple name calling, you really do need to put like 5 more seconds into your complete line of logic. Trump’s entire career, in or out of politics, is a flaming pile of shit. How would you even mention Harris and corruption in the same sentence but completely glaze over all the actual evidence of corruption around Trump? Blows my mind the mental gymnastics that must be involved to have any line of thought comparing Trump to ANYONE. He’s an abhorrent human not even looking at his failed shitty businesses and disgusting performance as POTUS.

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This take is comical. Trump ran for president in 2000 then did fuck all politically except hoard wealth until the 2016 run. Harris has been in political positions and actively working in politics for over two decades. Regardless of age, if anyone works for 20 straight years at something, it’s fair to say they’ve made a career of that thing.

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This is probably the dumbest comment you could have made.

Harris has spent her entire adult life in the legal system, she was hired as a deputy district attorney in 1990. Trump starred on the apprentice and tanked like 6 businesses in that amount of time. Trumps faux run in 2000 does not compare to the 30+ year career.

It’s pathetic how anyone will give Trump credit for the stupid, minimal, joke of a job he does but Harris has to jump through flaming hoops to get the credit she deserves.

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