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Funny - it’s the same for roughly 50% of Americans too - which is horrifying.

👁️ 👁️

Edit: sorry it was more than 50% of Americans. Fuck everyone. Goodbye.

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53 points

Even as someone who clashes with Lemmy.world users every post, I highly doubt Kamala doesn’t have the vast majority of American support over Trump. It’s that people don’t vote

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71 points

That doesn’t change anything, tbh.

Apparently these people are at least complacent enough to let Trump become president. And that is horrifying.

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6 points

Yeah, that’s a decision

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39 points

It’s that people don’t vote

Yes but also no: it’s mostly that many people either CAN’T vote or can but only with extreme exercise of patience and stamina.

Get rid of all the ridiculous voter suppression obstacles and you’ll see a dramatic uptick in voting and a corresponding shift towards Dems winning almost every election, making the GOP unviable within a decade.

Neither major party wants that, though, since the Dem leadership counts on running on fear of Republicans so that they won’t have to go further left than the owner donors are comfortable with.

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If the Dems won every election on center left policies, the only option left to the Rs would be to do another party switch and go further left. That’s how we get an actual left wing party.

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Easy to say when you live somewhere that voting is easy.

You honestly think Jim Crow restrictions on voting ended? The Supreme Court itself struck down the Voting Rights Act, and now you can have a single polling station for a county.

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I really hate reading about how difficult it is to vote in some places. I live in a suburb that is far enough from the city that it borders some rural areas. The area is very white, and something like 3/4 red. And it is SO easy for me to vote. Every year I don’t even look into voting early or by mail because I can just roll into my polling location and fill out a ballot in minutes. And that polling location only has to accommodate my local neighborhood, like hundreds of people at most.

It’s wild how much work goes into disenfranchising people in more blue areas. How can so many people work towards that without having the “are we the baddies” moment? (Rhetorical question, I do have eyes and ears and am well aware of the shitty state of our culture)

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Plus the system is rigged to count rural (and thus usually more conservative) votes more, so sane people have to turn out in greater numbers to keep sociopaths out of the white house

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Then the people whose votes don’t matter electorally decide that the popular vote isn’t relevant, so they don’t bother.

Hey guys! If Kamala wins the popular vote by >70% but loses the election, there will be riots. There could be a revolution. And she has the numbers to do that if you guys could just vote.

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People that don’t bother to vote are as bad as Trump supporters. The true foundation of every autocratic regime is not fear, it’s not their real supporters, it’s people that don’t care what happens as long as it’s not happening to them (yet).

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It’s always that people don’t vote. Support without votes is empty wind.

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I don’t know. There’s a surprising amount of stupid people here. They live in near poverty and are easily manipulated into hating others as the reason for their miserable lives. It’s really that simple in my opinion. Yes there are lots of people who don’t vote, but I’m not sure that it would change the current split if they all did vote. We need more and better education.

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I think that’s certainly part of it. Imo, it’s a few things more also, not that you said it wasn’t anything else too:

Included in what you said, voter suppression. People being bombarded into apathy, has really kicked up a notch. Its identifying who’s susceptible and spamming them like mad with things the data you have on them says will work specifically.

There’s a real core of people in every country thats incredibly easy to wind up with emotive narratives that have enough truthyness to override what might otherwise be sound critical judgment skills.

America’s real problem is that the direct line to those people and their data is owned by a very small group of very wealthy people. On top of that, you have interference from a country that seems to some how be even better than America at foreign election interference and they’re very pro trump.

That’s before you get to the Democrats who, even if they were or weren’t any good, have to sell their soul to the highest bidder just to come close to Republican election spending. The side who spends the most is always the side who wins and a democrat will only ever be given enough money to win if they compromise to an extent that they’re, right or wrong, not different enough for a lot of Americans.

My country’s greatest export is class subjugation. America’s is the manufacture of consent. America was amazing at it even before social media etc. which would be a dictators dream. Now, I’m not saying the people with all the power are as bad as bad as stalin or anything like that. But, with something like that at your disposal, you wouldn’t have to be.

TLDR: America is the ever evolving blueprint to how consent will be manufactured around the world.

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106 points

Watching America edging fascism is my pastime in between watching my own country edging fascism.

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97 points

Americans are watching this too and wondering what the fuck is wrong with our fellow Americans. This should not even be close.

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39 points

America is a fascist nation dripping in right wing propaganda.

If we elect Trump a second time, the only people who can express shock are the ones who have never seen a neighbor wave a Confederate flag, brandish a Blue Lives Punisher logo, have FOX News blasting away in the living room, or demand you laugh at their joke full of ethnic slurs.

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-10 points

Trump would make us fascist. We are not currently so.

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15 points

Ok maybe you’re not a fascist country, but you’ve been dipping your toes in the fascism pool for decades, just waiting for the water to be warm enough.

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3 points

Aged like milk

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14 points

I’m really hoping that it isn’t close and that the polls were lying “just to make it interesting”

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2 points

I have some bad news

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6 points

But have you thought that Kamala is a Woman?

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2 points

Maybe don’t turn important political processes into a sports match. Try a little logos with your ethos.

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7 points

Yeah you’re right it’s us, the ones posting to lemmy, doing that. You nailed it mate

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-5 points

Tacitly, yes.

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Yeah, I really can’t believe Harris is even a viable option. This should be a Trump landslide. 🫡

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0 points

Oh hey a cunt out in the wild.

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You can’t believe Harris was a viable option because you’re a chud. I can’t believe Harris was a viable option because she’s genocidal imperialism. We are not the same

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-10 points

Agreed.

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Disgusting how overrun Lemmy is with blue. Must be like 98% woke in here. Don’t be woke. Wake up, people!! WAKE UP!!!

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As an American:

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

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18 points

I second this emotion

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I will now cut back on all social media. Lemmy included as I get a depression from what’s happening in the US. What is painfully obvious is that we Europeans must stop fucking around and federate so that we have a fucking chance wedged in between despots and idiots.

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10 points

The current trend is sadly in the other direction. Fascists are rising to power and the countrys get more separated. More border controllers are happening.

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9 points

Volt all the way baby!!!

Lets get the european federation on the way!!

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Best of luck, wish me good luck on getting out of here before everyone realizes they closed the boarders going OUT as well as IN.

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