Yeah, I’m giving up after this.
The Democratic party just can’t deal with the stupidity and racism that is the American population.
I mean for fucks sake, Black and Latino voters increased their votes for Trump this time around.
Just time to hang up the hat and let America burn.
Also:
Biden got 81,282,916 votes
Harris got 66,153,556 votes
Americans didn’t even bother to show up and now we have a Republicans in control of all three branches again. Yeah, there’s no saving this democracy.
Don’t forget they are going to intentionally force us back to coal and oil, and stifle all transitions to cleaner energy. So really how bad could it be
Oh yeah, the world is pretty fucked here. We’re at a tipping point for climate disaster.
It’s going to be interesting when climate refugees start overwhelming the habitable regions (like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, and Wisconsin), driving housing costs even higher. People who think housing prices are high now will rudely awaken when the influx of people from the coastal regions – who have not only been displaced by climate disasters but have also lost their savings, and insurance will not bail them out – are competing for already limited affordable housing and local jobs.
But of course more drilling will totally fix that, right?
Maybe a lot of Democrats also dislike women in power and black people. Maybe the American people, regardless of the party they say they support, are still very conservative. This is not an unpopular opinion outside the USA.
Yes. That is the ultimate conclusion for me as well. The American people voted for racism and sexism, because they are racist and sexist. America can’t do better because this is the best we have. Trump represents conservatives. It’s really confusing because his actions aren’t conservative… but here we are.
This is the best we have
The best America can do is fucking awful. It’s been this way for years. We elected Bush II twice. We elected Reagan twice. We elected Nixon twice. It’s always been a shitty country filled with terrible people.
I’d like to say I’m glad other people are starting to realize something I’ve known for years, but people are going to get hurt because “patriotic liberals” didn’t have the courage to admit we’re the shithole country.
Nah. Trump got fewer votes (when you account for the ~4% population growth since the 2020 election) than last time, while Dems lost a fuckton of votes, compared to 2020.
Trump won, both the election, and the popular vote, not because he got Dems to vote for him, but because a dozen million Dems decided not to vote at all.
You are saying, in other words, that a black woman with indian ancestry and an exemplary career in the government was not enough incentive to go vote for self-perceived progressive people? That was actually my point.
I’m sorry that part of my immigrant family is this stupid. Thankfully, they can’t vote fwiw. 🤷♂️
Don’t feel bad man, your family isn’t you and you can’t control when your family does something stupid. Heck my immigrant family that can vote was going on about not voting this year because of both sides bullshit and I had to talk them that yeah, you need to vote regardless. Not that it mattered because native born Americans are such a lost cause at this point.
My parents didn’t vote either. They’re also upset that they don’t have many choices because they’re independents. To them it doesn’t matter who the president is, to them it is inconsequential.
Americans didn’t even bother to show up and now we have a Republicans in control of all three branches again.>
Absolutely. Trump did not have a significant bump in votes, 10 million voters did not turn out, or so early figures show. Of them, it’s largely white suburban males. Apathy leads to populism. Dr. King had something to say about white liberals…
Today is a dark day. But, I will say this…
When the world gets dark, new lights often appear. It’s a funny thing, but good people tend to be quiet and reserved. It’s the anger of the patient person, and the good people pushed too far, that often can incite the most change. As Mr. Rogers’ mother famously told him - look for the helpers when you see scary things unfold.
It’s time for the helpers.
I hope everyone reading this understands what this means. We must help now. Don’t look for the helpers, because we aren’t children, as Fred Roger’s once was…
Protect the people around you, especially the vulnerable and those at the most risk. Do it at the cost of your safety and well-being.
Cruelty has won a great battle today, but it can’t win the war without a fight.
Tough times make tough people
Tough people make easy times.
Easy times make weak people.
Weak people make tough times. <--------We are here.
Tough times make Tough people <------ Your light of hope.
Tough times make Tough people <------ Your light of hope.
No, the tough times were 2020-2024 when the fallout of Trump policies raised the cost of living, helped erode women’s rights to their own bodies, and encouraged corporate enshittification to go even more out of control.
It’s now “tough times make bigoted people who scapegoat minorities,” apparently.
In addition to what you said, I wonder how Biden and then Harris deciddd to become the nominee. What the methodology was. The dems could have hired a psychologist who could have guided them on the kind of candidate that would have won the American people over. They could have hired a pr team to help manage their campaign. The dems essentially took a bigger risk than it did in 2016 and it backfired on them again… except this time less people voted.
Yes, all those Jewish, Black, and Arab Nazis, they all showed up and unified. ಠ_ಠ
And if you’re talking about the Puerto Rico joke, you know that it’s based on the very real issue of overflowing landfill trash they have over there, right? Are you aware of the attention it brought to that issue? Why do you think PR flipped red?
You’re imagining a future that had a far better chance of happening under the dem ticket. We escaped pure tyranny last night. I couldn’t be more relieved
Yeah it’s never the fault of the party, it’s all those stupid people exercizing their right to choose. Maybe if dems didn’t put all their worth in being “the least worst option” and actually tried to be a good party this wouldn’t have happened.
End of the day, Americans voted for a proven rapist, a convicted felon, and a white supremacist to the oval office over someone who isn’t so yeah, stupid people exercising their right to vote are to blame. Enjoy your tariffs.
“My” tariffs? You think i am happy for this? You are part of those stupid americans maybe, incapable of understanding that not everyone that does not think like you is your enemy
Considering voter turnout for the Democrats was abysmal compared to 2020, yes: it is the fault of those stupid people choosing to abstain from voting because good enough wasn’t good enough.
I’ll continue to deny claims that Kamala was “least worst”. She seemed like a pretty good option to me, and the only criticisms I’ve heard of her were that she was not quite perfect on every issue they cared about.
The highest she ever polled in the 2020 primaries was 15%, very briefly, reaching a low of 3% before she dropped out of that race.
She was always a bizarre choice to thrust into that position all of a sudden. Biden should have bowed out much earlier, and Dems should have selected the replacement with a primary.
They set themselves up to fail, to the tune of millions of blue voters who didn’t vote red, they just weren’t motivated enough to vote at all.
Whatever you do, don’t blame voters though. The only people who could possibly be at fault here are Democrats. Because voters are perfect little angels. Who can blame them for their strong desire for fascism? That’s just human nature after all
I get it, everyone is upset that Trump won (including myself). But the voters are not solely to blame here.
Democrats put forward a candidate who lost to fascism. What does that say about your policies, your messaging, how the voters feel about you when you tell them “You have to vote for me because I’m not the other guy!”
Y’all need to accept that 1. The Democrats can grasp defeat from the jaws of victory like no one else, and 2. The American people want change, they want progress, they have had enough of the status quo system that isn’t working for them anymore.
They spent the last four years living under Biden, and despite all the screeching about how well the economy was doing, Americans don’t feel it. And instead of addressing that, or doing anything about it, Biden and the Democrat establishment would just point the finger at Republicans and say, “No, no, they’re worse, trust us, they’re worse, they’re worse.”
They’ve spent a year telling Americans, despite everything they’re seeing and hearing from Palestine, that Israel needs this unconditional support, while the world votes to hold Israel accountable and the US vetos it, under a Democrat administration. Multiple times, while refusing to let any Palestinians on stage at the DNC to speak, but parading Republican after Republican because they finished licking Trump’s ass and decided to give Kamala’s a go. Arab and Muslim Americans organized a protest vote, over 100,000 strong in Michigan alone (which she’s projected to lose, btw), and the Democrats sent Bill Clinton to lecture them on how Israel is only doing what’s necessary to defend themselves.
So we’ve had four years of milquetoast progress at best from a candidate the Democrat’s constituency already didn’t like. He dropped out but didn’t leave enough time for a new primary, so the Democrat Party pushed Kamala on us, and then had her run on a centrist, return-to-the-status-quo platform, while refusing to take any meaningful stand on Palestine, with their biggest policy being, “Hey, you have to vote for us because we’re not fascist.”
If the American people, people in general, don’t feel like they’re being represented, why would the feel like voting? This is a failure on the Democrats, 100%, for running platform policies and candidates that don’t drive people to the polls. Say what you want about Trump, and there’s plenty to say about the absolute piece of shit of a human being he is.
But he makes his voters feel listened to and heard, and Democrats may consider it regression, but Republicans get their policies done, and they show progress to their constituents. Democrats get nothing done, usually due to Republican fuckery, but the Republicans don’t face similar fuckery, so the average voter doesn’t care, they just see one wide getting their agenda accomplished and the other not.
So now I pose this question to you, and I’m genuinely asking, this isn’t an “I gotcha, I am so smart!”
If a person doesn’t feel represented by their government regardless of who’s in power, and your life doesn’t drastically improve under either candidate, well… What difference does it make which form of government is fucking you over?
You can say this but when a republican policy is “drill for more oil” and a democratic policy is “focus on clean energy,” one is easier, cheapens prices, and has readily apparent effects. Many democrat policies are long term goals that people won’t notice, and might even hurt them in the short term, but they need to be done. Medicare will increase taxes, supporting Ukraine and not taking Russian oil increases prices, and most people agree these policies are good things. Yet what is the biggest complaint under Biden? Skyrocketing inflation, because the average voter doesn’t care about policy they just care how it affects their lives.
You’re asking for an impossible solution if you want the party of “this is a hard decision but will benefit us all in the future” to have the same draw as “here’s cheaper prices NOW, we’ll ignore the future.” Not to mention as you already said republicans will block any and all attempts at real change. It’s completely unfair that even if 90% of a democrat candidate’s platform is beneficial, that’s not good enough since they don’t have the short-term effects to wow people with. If democratic policies reduced prices and republican policies increased them (say, swap the stances on oil and climate), we could have a literal potato as the candidate and people would run to vote for it.
I’ve written a lot of comments this morning, and I don’t remember which one’s I’ve said what in, so I apologize if I’m repeating something.
I understand what you’re saying, it’s not fair that the Democrats have an unrealistic standard compared to the Republicans. But the Democrats have to figure that out and get over it, and they’re just not.
I’m seeing a lot of polls now showing the biggest factor for Americans voting was the economy. The economy has, verifiably, improved under Biden, and I will not argue against that.
But polls also consistently show that, despite the improved economy, Americans don’t feel it. And that’s the problem: the Dems were presented this information (Americans don’t feel better under this economy), and just kept doubling down, spouting metrics that mean nothing to the average American.
I think in response to the economy polling, Harris trotted out the $15/hr minimum wage increase. In our political hellscape, that’s a progressive policy. But it’s 10 years too late… Minimum wage should be around $26/hr if it was (and should be) tied to inflation, the magic buzzword everyone has on their mind. But they’re not campaigning on $26/hr, they’re barely campaigning on $15/hr.
Someone in another thread pointed out bodily autonomy and how much worse it would get under Trump. Fair enough, but what has Biden shown the American people he’s done about bodily autonomy in the last 4 years? Why wasn’t it enshrined into law at any point during the decades since the initial Roe ruling? Why should voters believe Democrats are actually going to do it this time and not continue using abortion as a campaign tool?
You and I both know the answers to all of the questions above are not black and white, their answers range from the complexity of different administrations to the limited power within the executive branch to Democrats lacking a political majority outside of a few months every couple decades, etc. I get that, but even I’m tired of it being an excuse, and the average American doesn’t even consider the excuse. They just don’t care: they see their money worth less, their paycheck barely increasing to match inflation most years, and laws not being passed.
On the flip side, Trump got a lot done in his first four years, regardless of whatever legal obstacles got in his way. This flies in the face of our constitution and the very rule of law and is a direct threat to our democracy…
… But he got things done. No one can deny that, Trump got things done, and he did things his base wanted him to. As much as Trump hates his base, he at least panders to them, and if he doesn’t support them, he shows faux support, which is good enough. He represents the worst of humanity, is a serial rapist, convicted felon, racist, misogynist, sexist, xenophobic, transphobic, homophobic orange shit stain on the annals of history…
But he got things done, and in the eyes if the average American, Biden didn’t, and Harris promised 4 more years of the same. So voters stayed home, and it is 100% the Democrats fault.
What difference does it make which form of government is fucking you over?
Democrats wanted to incrementally improve things. Republicans wanted to round us up into camps.
Voters had an opportunity to prevent a christo-fascist dictatorship and they didn’t take it. Moving things to the left in this country has always involved voting. Losing our democracy doesn’t improve the Democratic Party. If there is another election, which we can’t count on, Democrats are going to learn that they need to move further to the right to pick up votes. They’ve done it before, and they will do it again. They will look at the conservatives who voted and tailor a party platform for them.
Democrats could not care less about appealing to nonvoters or third party voters. They only care about winning, which is probably part of why they suck at it.
Voting should be a mechanical choice during elections. If people want better candidates, organize, and do the work to get grassroots movements off the ground between elections.
Instead of picking a strategy based on a subjective morality people should consider analyzing strategies based on their utility.
If a strategy advances a goal it’s useful. If it doesn’t, it’s not. Voting for the Democrats demonstrates a wider voting base for them to move to the left. Moving Democrats to the left is the goal so this strategy is useful. Protest voting takes votes away from the Democrats so they look for voters on the right. This accomplishes the opposite of the goal so this strategy is not useful.
Democrats wanted to incrementally improve things.
They’ve had four years to, and to the average American, they didn’t. They improved things, but not enough for the average American to notice, or care.
In comparison, regardless of how he did it, Trump got things done that his base wanted.
Democrats are going to learn that they need to move further to the right to pick up votes. They’ve done it before, and they will do it again. They will look at the conservatives who voted and tailor a party platform for them.
They did that this time and lost. They did it in 2016 and lost. The Democrats want a return to the status quo, and nothing else. Americans want change, the status quo is not working for them, but the Democrat party will not try to rally the vote. They scream about Republicans and voter suppression, but where’s the law mandating voting? Or making it a federal holiday? Or requiring paid time off to vote for essential employees?
You’re talking about strategy, well, progressives want to align with the Democrats, right? The FPTP system only allows for two viable parties, right, because winner takes all, and third parties can’t compete? Therefore, progressive third party candidates, under the current system, can’t gain any political power because the system is broken, right?
Ok, so let’s work within the system we have. Republicans are fascist, not very progressive, guess that leaves the Democrats. And they seem open to it! But they keep telling us no, now’s not the right time for XYZ, we don’t have the support, we have to stop/prevent XYZ. We keep voicing concerns and want our issues addressed, and we keep being ignored, told we have to get back to normal before we can move forward, condescended to, or outright dismissed.
You keep saying the Democrats will just keep moving right, and that’s exactly the point I’m making, and the reason people didn’t go out in droves for Harris. You keep saying the Democrats will just try to keep stealing Republican voters, well, then they deserve to lose. 37% of eligible voters vote, and instead of trying to garner that other 63% of the voters to come out, they’ll cut off their nose to spite their face and refuse to adopt progressive, populist policies?
You’re basically telling me the Democrat’s strategy is, “Do what we say or we’ll become more like the fascists.” Cool, so delayed fascism versus fascism… Hence “what difference does it make if our wants don’t matter.”
under a Democrat administration.
Dude, just admit that you’re a Trump voter. The election is over and it doesn’t matter anymore anyway.
I voted Harris, and my state went to Harris. Voted Democrat down ballot.
Guess that makes me a Trump voter. 🤷♀️
Proving my point as to why Democrats can’t seem to win, keep winning people over to the party there, champ.
It’s of the upmost importance that we don’t hold power to account and assure them they’ve done nothing wrong. They are powerful after all. What wrong could they have done?
Right?! My whole philosophy is why do more than one thing? That’s bad. What we need to do is scream into the void on lemmy about democrats and swat away any hint of voter responsibility. That’ll teach the voters the right lesson: they could never possibly have done no wrong no matter what!
I know. I figure they haven’t been listening about how bad they are this entire time, the solution is to do it harder and louder. BAD FASCISTS. ALL OF YOU. NOW VOTE FOR US.
It wasn’t the voters that once again generalized half the population negatively. It’s now 3/3 on comments doing that ending with a loss.
Is this English? The words are familiar but I literally cannot extract meaning from this.
Whether you have binders full of women, baskets of deplorables, or garbage, it ends badly for you.
Don’t give up, just don’t be nice to republicans. And make sure to harass the next administration for our rights. Fucking racist rapist criminals.
I am sure that if Trump has his way, you will no longer have rights to fight for. It comes to a point where you can no longer just fight the symptoms, you need to fight the disease. Americans just voted for the disease.
Now we get to see it play out. All the folks saying he was kidding about ______. Let’s see. Now we’ll see…
This guy’s literally going to bankrupt the country on purpose because it won’t hurt the billionaires
Well, good news I guess, with the way the climate is gonna go now you won’t be living long at all.
If pollution under Trump is as bad as he is promising the idea of hitting 5 degrees C by 2075 doesn’t seem that far fetched.
It’s 2024 so that’s 51 years from now. I’m 31. If I’m not dead by then I would be 82. So I could, in theory, live to see it.
Good news! The de-regulation and de-funding of FDA and USDA will probably kill you faster and more directly than climate change.
As a trans woman and a Jew there’s a ton of direct ways that I could be killed, but it’s really not worth worrying about them. =)
Also…. No one is going to try and burn down the Capitol this time. So we’ve got that.
Though once Trump comes up with some new logo that may or not be a swastika and it becomes draped with that logo that may not be a good thing. Though I see him going more the Mussolini route and putting his face on shit
I could cry. I’m so disappointed in all of us.
Starting to seriosuly consider making a solar punk party. I wanna be the radical progressives GOP thinks dems are but I dk where to start.
