I’ll never understand why people put Steve Jobs on a pedestal. He might have been a very astute businessman , but by all accounts he was a horrible human being and a colossal prick.
He used to eat only fruit and smelled like shit, he’s my hero for that one
Cancer did. And just because he could be a prick doesn’t mean he deserved to die so soon.
- He’s a billionaire.
- Cheated on his wife.
- Travelled to Epstein’s Island.
- Got removed from Microsoft for propositioning female employees for sex
- Used Microsoft’s market position to kill off any competition. Remember Netscape?
- His foundation pushed hard to make the COVID vaccines intellectual property of drug manufacturers so they would get richer, leaving the world dependent on them for doses instead of allowing everyone to produce it.
He’s really awful too, or at the very least he used to be.
He’s done a lot of rebranding himself as being a great guy as of late, and put his money towards some great causes.
But when he was in charge of Microsoft he’d openly treat people like shit, openly steal things, openly do anticompetitive and illegal business practices, deliberately put small companies out of business, and openly bribe politicians to look the other way as he built his illegally-gained business empire.
The technology landscape today is vastly more closed and monopolised because of his/MS’s actions.
With money he got from a monopoly, meaning the money he took plus the deadweight loss are even worse for humanity. Computers would be even better today if it wasn’t for him, and we would’ve produced better things than we have today.
Monopolists “giving back” is insidious because it’s much easier to see what they gave us than what they took away.
From what I’ve read he definitely had a strong personality and I don’t think anyone sees him as flawless. But that made for some very funny moments. And he definitely was the person that Apple needed at that time.
Strong is one way to wash over his narcissism, delusions, and the abuse he doled out. And you’re wrong, there’s plenty of people who take the washing-over to a degree where they think he was a genius above reproach. Yeah, let’s focus on the funny moments and brush all that abuse and whatnot under the rug, that’s better. I’m so glad a company got to profit from a sociopath’s leadership in the end, gives me the fuzzies. Could you imagine giving up iphones and iOS for some alternative imaginary version of those products? Oh my.
Steve Jobs was the Elon Musk of his time, he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was.
Steve Jobs did at least actually do things. Musk just buys things and claims he did them.
Nah Jobs didn’t do anything himself. From Wozniaks first computer up to the multitouch display for the iPhone, all of these things were just bought/stolen/copied. Jobs just knew how to put these technologies into something that would sell.
Jobs insisted on removing the keypad from a smartphone. He didn’t make the multitouch display, but he did force app developers to take it seriously.
I feel like he had a part in the first apple. Wozniac did the work but Jobs sold it. Selling and marketing are not easy and a different skill set. I’d be curious what Wozniac has to say about it though.
He was a visionary who was able to see the applicability of new technology, and was able to force his will for better than the standard upon people who would otherwise have thought the improvements impossible. The guy was a fucking jerk, that’s true, but he also completely changed the world with his vision. To say he was nothing more than a Musk, or a thief, is to be disingenuous.
Jobs insisted on selling a touchscreen-only smartphone. Turns out, he was right on that one.
Didn’t Musk start SpaceX? That’s, at least, one thing. Too bad he can’t stick to it.
Woah; that’s just so wildly inaccurate; I have no idea what to even say.
Are you really saying Jobs was a transphobic right-wing extremist whose father got super rich and helped him to just buy into uprising companies without really doing anything by himself?
He did father a child he denied to the day he died, intentionally screwed Woz out of his fair share of the apple fortune, killed himself by treating cancer with quackery. Jobs is probably more self made, but that’s about it.
Jobs is probably more self made, but that’s about it.
I just gave you some pretty major differences. To me, most things that defines Musk as the horrible person he is aren’t true for Jobs. Again: The extremist position, transphobia, the fact that he bought into his companies and didn’t actually invent these things and made these breakthroughs by himself (which is just not true for Jobs, even if you have reasons to not like him), that he just got his money by his father’s mine and hasn’t made such successes by himself, etc. All of that doesn’t apply to Jobs.
Those things you mention are just… cases of him doing awful stuff; most of them not even related to Musk in any way. But if “he did awful stuff” is enough to set him on the same layer as Musk, then he is also “the same person” as a good share of all people living.
He did not deny her until the day he died. She even lived with him during highschool, and he named a computer after her, even though he made up a bogus acronym to pretend that wasn’t his motivation.
Woz was worth $500m at one point and is worth $100m today. It’s not like he was cut out of the game, he just wasn’t interested in money or success the way Jobs was. Without Jobs drive for success, Woz would never have shared his inventions with anyone, it was just a private hobby to him.
Steve was definitely an asshole, but there are plenty of valid criticisms to levy at him, you don’t need to misrepresent anything.
That’s true, he was not nearly as bad as Musk. I was mainly talking about how he’s a general asshole who steals from others and is revered by techbros. I was maybe being a bit hyperbolic in my comparison.
I don’t necessarily agree with that, but I get this point (in contrast to how you phrased it before), so fair I guess.
But just one thing:
is revered by techbros I actually don’t know any people who revere Musk. I know this is dependent on the bubble, but at least with Jobs being generally seen pretty favourable and Musk seen extremely unfavourable by most people, I think there’s a big difference.
iOS user: “DUDE have you seen [new iOS feature]? This is the bee’s knees!” [10 minutes of gushing omitted for brevity]
Android user: “…Yeah, we’ve had that for 15 years.”
Even the iPhone itself was just a more advanced version of a PDA or other handheld PC device that existed years before it. Logically, phones would have advanced similarly with or without Apple.
I had one called the iPaq.
Apple has since then made it illegal to trademark products starting with “i”. Irony.
KkI wouldn’t even say the iphone was more advanced than what came before it haha.
I still have 2 fully functioning Palm TX devices from 20 or so years ago, they were released mid 2005 while iPhone was June 2007 I think?
Looking back, I cannot fathom (aside from marketing) how apple beat palm in that market.
Here are the specs, keep in mind the TX was released several years before the original iPhone Ram: Palm TX: 128 Mb iPhone: 128Mb Screen palm TX: 480×320 iPhone 480×320 Processor TX: 312Mhz iPhone 416 Mhz
So, for a 3 year or so delay, the original iPhone imo still doesn’t completely dwarf the TX, but I’m also not through as there are plenty of features that the TX had but the iPhone lacked.
The TX was also touch screen (I find it much more responsive) and was meant for a stylus instead of fingers. To this day, I still love writing and drawing on the TX. Oh, and the stylus fits neatly into the TX on the right side. Also, it has a nice little replaceable flip cover for the screen.
But that’s not all, it has an SD card slot for expandable storage, something the iPhone omitted.
It also has wifi 302.11b support and Bluetooth as well, yes, Bluetooth in 2005 and it was very easy to activate and use.
But no, that’s not all, it also had an IR transmitter/receiver! Something the iPhone helped to kill. Those things were underrated!
They made the TX the perfect universal remote! I had a program on the TX that listed every T.V/DVD/VCR/Cable etc. Manufacturer you could imagine, you’d just select the manufacturer for the device you wanted to control, aim the TX at it and bam, you had control.
This helped me a lot as essentially I could control almost any device I could see. Lost remote for the DVD player? TX got you. It wasn’t just for t.v’s and whatnot though, many things run on IR and I miss when smart devices supported it.
Ah, and I’m still not done, the TX had BUTTONS. Actual factual buttons. Not only was it 100% touch screen, but it had 4 buttons and a directional pad with another button in the middle iirc.
Those buttons made it great for emulation and I believe I had a snes emulator on it though that may have just been Nes, either way, the buttons were much more fun to play with than touch screen, it made the device actually feel… made for what you were using it to do.
In fact, everything on the device felt made for what you were doing, and not just an afterthought. It came preloaded with plenty of useful apps. A web browser that was even YouTube capable for one, which in 2006 or so when I got the TX blew my mind, YouTube in my Palm?
Maybe I went a little overboard in this comment but my point is, damn, some more competition may have been nice.
Oh, and one last thing, My TX devices still run like the day I got them, hell, the battery life is insane as well. I left one on for at least 2 weeks and it still had power last I checked. How many original iPhones that were opened in 2007 are still running? Heck, even an iPhone 5 from 2012, how many of those are still up and running?
Yet my 2005 TX runs just the same as it always did. It’s insane to look at a device from 2005 and feel like in 2023 we should be taking notes, but we should.
Our devices won’t last that long on standby today because they’re filled with bloatware processes that refuse to stop running. The TX powers up instantly after it’s been sitting for days and will be on 99% battery. My modern smart phone will kill its own battery within a day or two, tops, just sitting on my desk without me touching it.
Palm needs to make a comeback. Devices with SD, IR, buttons, built in stylus etc. Should as well.
Oh, and the OS was perfect. Calendar, web, paint etc, an Aux jack, these little things were and still are badass. If it wasn’t for the limited capability due to not being able to access the web like before I’d probably still use them daily.
But I’d never use an original iPhone daily, they just aren’t good for anything that I can’t do with any other device.
Not that I’m anti IPhone as I realize my comment seems, don’t get me wrong I do prefer androids for my uses but iPhones aren’t too shabby either. Top notch hardware, all of their devices sharing the same hardware also mean their apps tend to be better optimized and more reliable, etc. They’re dependable, reliable devices but… my Palm from 20 years ago can do things no iPhone can, like still run after 2 decades, control IR devices, have an SD card inserted etc.
The closest thing I’ve had to a TX was an LG Stylo 6, and for it’s day if was a decent device but the screen cracked in my pocket within a year and the battery life had shortened significantly. I was carrying around mophies and chargers like nobody’s business. My TX though? 2 decades without even a scratch that I can see on either of the 2 that I own, and when I’m using it the battery almost seems limitless as I can go for quite some time using it without seeing that 99% battery drop a digit.
I know we’ve changed battery types a time or two since then but can’t help but wonder how are modern batteries are so unreliable in comparison? Planned obsolescence is a factor, surely because I’m seeing a year or so tops before major performance reduction with these lithium ions of late. Whereas the TX still outlasts them 20 years later,
Just love my old tech and wish it were updated! I’d love a new palm device built as well as the TX was.
It wasn’t an entirely new concept but it completely redefined what it could be. Look up what Android looked like until the iPhone was demoed.
Or when two mouse buttons would be too confusing to users?
edit: fixed typo
Floating apps. And split screen. I was playing Pokemon Go with reddit open in the corner in 2017 and it was old then. I dunno when iOS got it, but it’s recentish.
Neither floating apps nor split screen were ever released for iOS. Split screen was added a while ago for iPadOS, but floating apps (Stage Manager) was released just last year.
Wait, floating apps as in being able to keep an app in the corner (like YouTube) when I’m using another app primarily right? iOS just got that?
It’s definitely old for Android as I can remember it being a thing for at least 5 years, and before that it was P-I-P “Picture in Picture” even on old CRT t.v’s with cable boxes lol. My old “Web TV” setup had PIP and was already old when I got it in the early 2000’s
Genuinely curious, what did iOS have first that Android then adopted? Not doubting at all just curious as to what
This is sort of hard to answer because of the number of varieties of Android from different vendors could have things that weren’t in core Android but some user will be like I had a Samsung phone in 2012 that did that or something, so I’ll just base my answers on Android core.
Notification badges were a big one I wanted on Android that iOS had done since the beginning. You could sorta have them with nova launcher for a while, but it wasn’t as good. Eventually Android came around, I think?
I think the ability to swipe up and navigate opened apps also existed in iOS long before Android, though I think Samsung may have copied it shortly after, as they do with most solid iOS innovations.
iOS’s privacy controls have always been better than Android’s, though that’s not super surprising given Google’s market is advertising, Android did eventually try to add granular privacy controls but it feels lacking compared to iOS.
Also screen recording, is it even in Android yet? It’s been in iOS forever.
There’s a lot more than that, but reading any Android community and you’d think that the copying only happened one way.
Fun fact: Android is older.
Technically correct, but it was originally aimed at Blackberry. https://www.pcworld.com/article/464050/original_android_prototype_revealed_during_google_oracle_trial.html
Apple pioneered a moderately useful mobile browser and fully touch screen UI (except for the home button).
They’ve been copying each other ever since, to the point where I watch the WWDC keynote thinking “they didn’t already have THAT!?” most of the time.
More like Apple copies an android feature that is more than a decade old then claims it as some kind of innovation.
slaps a buzzword on it and makes a trillion. Can’t believe some iphone users consider widgets modetn
Now they do, but the iPhone was revolutionary when it was released. Apple literally changed the world with their invention.
To this day whenever I hear people say Apple invented the smart phone I sigh. Maybe that’s technically true or not depending on how you want to count it. But what irks me is how people think it was brilliant. Like bro, I was browsing on the go with my Zune and PSP years before the iPhone came out. The only things we can thank Apple for are the two worst parts of a smart phone. Apps and the phone.
Yes, Zune! Had one of those, a Palm TX and a PSP Design wise? Apart from cellular connectivity the Palm TX is pretty similar to an iPhone imo. More of an upgrade really, even though it released several years before the original iPhone.
Had a built in stylus, 312 mhz processor, touch screen, Bluetooth, Infrared, Wifi, flip cover (which took smartphones a while to adapt to) 128 MB ram just like iPhone, 480×320 screen like iPhone, heck even a Nes emulator. It’s so similar that I really feel like Apple took note, even had its own Palm OS.
And it releases 2+ years before the iPhone… if only they were hyped more and had access to cell networks.
When the first iPhone released I paid virtually no attention bc I’d been having devices that did similar and more for a while already
Heck the TX even had an App where you could select virtually any T.V and use it as a remote via IR, can’t do that shit on an iPhone even today
Oh, and expandable storage via SD cards. Idk how we downgraded
Android was not aimed at blackberry. It was to be a completely new phone OS from the ground up and add extensive capabilities to the phone world over what the blackberry (the most popular phone at the time) could. Yes the G1 had a similar form factor to the most popular phone at the time and it wasn’t even the only form. The phone in the picture was from prototype stage and never shipped in that form factor. The shipping go had a screen and button under it. The screen slid sideways to reveal a keyboard. The Motorola droid was the most popular android phone when they actually shipped. I had a droid and a coworker had a G1. Development problems and companies scared to gamble on a radical new product delayed Androids launch behind iPhones. Apple did a fantastic job of developing the iPhone in secret, knowing the Android was coming.
Something something Xerox
You can… maybe not for long, and not out of the streets, but technically anyone can “retire” at any moment…
It’s like the Halloween 3 of the Pirates franchise: pretty good but quite a departure for the series. Notably, neither Captain Sparrow nor Captain Stagnetti make an appearance at all - amongst many other differences.
I think this captures the highlights of the issue.
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-answers-reddit-question-about-copying-steve-jobs-2017-3
