That means fuck ECOWAS as a tool of the oppressors also. Critical support for every coup in Africa, and for the rights of Africans to demand the French and US militaries leave their country.
Critical Readings:
- Neocolonialism by Kwame Nkrumah.
- How Europe Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney.
- Rethinking Ownership of Development in Africa by T.D. Harper-Shipman.
Recommended readings:
- Unsustainable Empire: Alternative Histories of Hawaii Statehood by Dean Itsugi Saranillio.
- Radical Markets: Uprooting Capitalism and Democracy for a Just Society by Eric A. Posner and E. Glen Weyl.
Critical support for every coup in Africa
Hurr durr Western imperialism bad Russian imperialism good
Why don’t we get France (a democracy) to pressure their leaders to set up free and fair elections then get the fuck out after they’re done (simplifying things here as it’s a slow process to not create a power vacuum) rather than supporting a like-for-like swap of France for Russia or Chinese control of the country through debt?
I’m not against the premise of the post, just the caption which reads like mindless Russophilia
Your comment about Chinese debt is uninformed - China holds a small percentage of total African debt and there’s only 1 country (Zambia, iirc) where Chinese debt is even close to half of the debt.
Eurobond debt is far greater in almost every debt distressed African nation and is the debt that African leaders and bankers commonly cite as the problem.
The Chinese debt-trap story keeps being repeated by the US state department, but it does not reflect in any way the reality of African debt.
https://chinaglobalsouth.com/2023/07/13/graph-of-the-day-chinas-real-share-of-african-debt/
This article from the same source suggests China is at 54% of Zambia’s debt, which is massive for a single country based off the other graphs: https://chinaglobalsouth.com/2023/05/31/how-zambias-debt-mix-is-forecast-to-evolve/
Nice strawman you’ve constructed there. Be a shame if someone set it on fire…
Oh no, are you having hallucinations? Because last I checked the majority of coups in former French Africa were Russia/Wagner backed so there’s no strawman in sight.
You’re advocating for FRANCE to DICTATE TO AFRICAN COUNTRIES HOW THEY CAN BE SOVERIEGN. Do you not see the irony in that statement? When has France ever set up “Free and Fair Elections” in ANY of their vassal states or neo-colonies? Was it a free and fair election when they murdered democratically elected revolutionaries? Was it fair when they dictated the currency and exchange rate for all of their vassals? Who do the people support? Have you even looked? It’s not France lmao.
Critical support for every coup in Africa, and for the rights of Africans to demand the French and US militaries leave their country.
No critical support for the rights of Africans to demand the Russian and Wagner militaries leave their country? Because you’re replacing one colonialism with another colonialism. Should I point out that Wagner is paid with African natural resources like diamonds? What is the difference between the exploitation from France and the exploitation from Russia?
I’ve yet to see any evidence of Wagner interference in these coups, and in fact, the countries they’ve been taking place in most recently have been countries with heavy western military presence, not Wagner. Not to mention, the suggestion that Africans are not capable of performing a coup themselves to me smells of paternalism, but that may not be your implication and I’m sorry if I misinterpreted it.
I’m not talking about them performing a coup. Although I don’t like coups, they’re property of nobody but themselves, and eventually democracy will return.
But French troops doing bad stuff, or doing neither bad nor good stuff (that’s doing nothing at all), that doesn’t mean they should be replaced by another foreign nation troops, being either private or not. If we agree that African nations are sovereign enough to decide their own future, they’re also sovereign enough to defend themselves, or to ask for help to neighbouring countries in exchange of nothing. But in the countries we’re talking about, they asked for help to another potential colonial nation in exchange of natural resources, that could be manufactured in place, thus creating employment, wealth and other benefits.
That’s a perspective I can understand. I was pretty disappointed to see Wagner given a mine in Burkina Faso, for sure.
I think, though, that unfortunately, it is an inevitable consequence of western reaction to the coups and their history of suppressing African sovereignty.
Fighting off jihadis(which is what Wagner is being contracted to do in Burkina Faso) is a global problem, and can’t be tackled by any one nation, especially not a poor, landlocked one like Burkina Faso. However, the wests actions in fighting Islamic extremism in Africa has been so heavily fraught with abuse of Africans among other issues that I don’t think we’ll ever see the return of trust between West Africa and the West, and so, when paired with the global Wests refusal to work with the coup governments, and tendency to issue sanctions which even further damage civilian populations while leaving governmental structures nearly untouched (and not to mention that sanctions have been definitively proven to increase support for a regime), the newly free African nations have no choice but to look to alternative economic blocs for support, and in our current world, that alternative block is essentially just Russia.
Not a successful coup but rather the planning of a coup. About the recent coups, there’s somewhat of a lack of information. Time will tell whether Wagner was influencing the coups. What is obvious is Wagner is certainly supported by a large portion of the population, seeing as there’s Wagner flags everywhere.
Then there’s also Russia + Wagner attempting to gain control over Moldova
wagner might not be involved, and im not sure if the organisation will exist as is for long, but presence of russian flags and putin chants in sunday are surely natural?
I see a few Russian flags indeed, thanks for the link. Importantly, what I don’t see, are Russians. Hong Kong protestors carried US flags, but I don’t think many people think that the US orchestrated them, we’ve seen similar across the world in various times and places. I’m not sure why they’re waving Russian flags, but I sure would love to ask them. Maybe I’ll talk to my Ghanaian friends and see if they have any experience with support for Russia in their nation, but last I heard, he hated Russia and China as much as he hates France, and more than he hates the US.
I’m trying to track down a list of the leaders.
As far as I can tell this goes back to a Reddit post that has been removed. The top-voted comment goes through a list and says why those leaders weren’t assassinated by France.
Anyone have a list?
what is tankie propaganda doing on my tankie-free community, go away to lemmygrad with this shit
Supporting popular uprisings against neocolonial compradore regimes is tankie propaganda now? I’ll be sure to tell my entire Food Not Bombs group they’re all tankies, and that we can no longer practice anarchism anymore because some guy on lemmy says we’re tankies because we support the right of the African people to self-determine.
What praxis groups are you a member of that support the ousted government despite the popular support for the coups? I’d be interested in knowing, so I can be sure to never give material support to such a reactionary organization.
Edit: Also, two comments in three months, only one of which (this one) in 196. For being your community, you sure contribute a lot less than I and many others do.
you sound like you’re in dire need of a shower and a grass touching session
as per your edit, i’m shy and also have better things to do than having twitter level discourse with annoying anarchists that whine about western imperialism while suspiciously getting defensive about russian influence in recent military coups (not popular uprisings) :^)
I definitely could use a shower, I woke up late today, but I touch grass every day on my way to feed the chickens before I go to work for the day, thanks for your concern. Usually I’m wearing shoes, but I’ve been trying to toughen the soles of my feet recently, so I go barefoot basically anytime I’m at home.
Support for coups from the people. Not every coup
