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San Francisco police told Polygon that officers responded to Unity’s San Francisco office “regarding a threats incident.” A “reporting party” told police that “an employee made a threat towards his employer using social media.” The employee that made the threat works in an office outside of California, according to the police statement.


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Even better than fake, it’s self-inflicted.

The fact that Unity board of directors haven’t fired the CEO shows that they are A-OK with this.

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125 points

This is the problem with the shareholder mentality that’s ruining a lot of products and services. They don’t give a damn about the longevity of the company. They only care about money now; and as soon as things go sour, they’ll sell their shares and move on to the next company.

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48 points

Taking your company public is like giving it cancer

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There should be law forcing major players in the market to commit for 10 years + when they buy shares above a certain threshold and when those 10+ years pass they should be forced to justify when selling. Might be dumb but just saying as things are the market/system will just rot on the daily. Shits corrupted to the core imo.

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Honestly, they’re probably in on it. Greed is all this is.

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Absolutely, that’s why they all sold their stocks before they announced this

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17 points

That, or an easy day off work.

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13 points

They were working from another office per the article.

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I’m sure they’re gonna be getting many days off work now

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I’ve been working on an indie game project for several years now and invested thousands of dollars into it. Fortunately, I had the foresight to use Godot for it, but if I’d used Unity instead I’d be completely screwed right now. Hell, I’m still using the 3.X branch of Godot because I figured that migrating everything to version 4 would be more trouble than it’s worth. Going to a completely new engine at this stage in development would be completely out of the question.

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Good luck with your game! Is it something public we could contribute to?

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No, it’s a commercial release. I’d been doing everything with placeholder art throughout most of development but I’ve recently commissioned some artists for some professional assets, and I think I’ll have enough to put together some screenshots and a demo video and get a page on Steam, etc. set up within the next few weeks.

It’s a Metroidvania with influences from cinematic platformers (Another World, Flashback) and immersive sims (System Shock, Deus Ex.)

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I’m sorry to stifle your expectations, but if you’re working on that project on your own, you’re very unlikely to reach the 200k/year revenue necessary to trigger this new pricing scheme.

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Could be stock options as well. I’d be shitty if part of my compensation was stock and I saw blatant mismanagement taking place.

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160 points

Three years ago after trying Unity for a month I chose to learn Godot instead. I see now how right that decision was. Well done past self. Have a future cookie.

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For me the rule that has always worked is “bet everything on open-source”. It has always paid off.

When people at uni used Matlab, I learned R (before R-studio even existed) and python. I moved to linux as soon as I could. I never wanted to learn anything MS or Apple specific, or proprietary technologies such as visual studio, excel, vba, c#, SAS. I went on docker ASAP…

Now the world in my field runs on open source tecnologies, and I am the leaders of the “new stuff” wherever company I go.

On the long term learning open source solutions is always a win. Best case scenario it becomes the industry standard, worst case scenario it gives you the know how to master proprietary tools

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C# and Visual Studio are pretty great now, and they don’t lock you into Windows at all. Most of C# is open source.

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My experience is very different. I know a lot of c# developers, they are locked, even if c# now looks open source. They are locked as a mac user is locked to mac. C# is the most monopolizing language I know. Usually people know more languages, they easily move from one language to the other, from one programming style to the other depending on the task, they can easily learn different tools, different ways of doing stuff. All c# developers I know seriously struggle to move out of their conform zone, that is visual studio. To the level that many even struggle with vscode. And the way of doing things of visual studio is usually good for windows but it is the worst when doing more “modern” things, from ai to kubernetes

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For what it’s worth, C# is a ECMA standardized language (https://www.ecma-international.org/publications-and-standards/standards/ecma-334/) and has a linux-based implementation (mono – https://www.mono-project.com/docs/about-mono/).

Though it is hard to overcome the obvious Windows origins of the first implementation.

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Mono is becoming outdated now that dotnet just supports Linux.

(It took a lot from mono to do so.)

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Preach it! One of my colleagues writes all his machine learning code in Matlab. Brilliant person, has done some incredible research, but can do anything with the code because no organization is going to bring Matlab into its clusters and pay for all the licenses needed to run it. So while plenty of presentations and papers have been written of this research, the actual process of letting people use it takes an additional army of Python developers to translate and test every new feature and enhancement.

This is what happens when you build your career around walled garden platforms. Inevitably, you’ll reach a dead end. Focus on learning tools that enable you the most. Open source will always win in the end, because it will never come with this very heavy piece of baggage that proprietary tools have. This is why the internet is built on Linux and not Windows.

Unity is the same way. When you build your career on a technology that a single company can strip from you on a whim, that’s a big risk. I really hope that Godot and other open source engines take off after this. It will be a painful transition for many developers, but hopefully it’s a lesson very well learned.

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For me, it’s “learn everything”.

The best devs in XYZ language/framework aren’t the ones who are experts in XYZ, but the ones who are just good enough in XYZ and 15 other things that they see what XYZ excels at, and lacks, and how patterns from elsewhere could be adapted to supercharge XYZ’s strengths and mitigate its weaknesses.

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When people at uni used Matlab, I learned R (before R-studio even existed) and python.

Good move. MATLAB is trash.

I never wanted to learn anything MS… …or proprietary technologies such as… …excel

Eh, depending on your career Excel is worth a tiny bit of time given its pervasiveness and how powerful it is. But like you say, learning open source will make Excel a piece of cake.

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If you think MATLAB is trash, wait til you see Octave!

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That’s a good rule. I only accidentally got into open-source, but now that I know what it is and what it’s all about, I am totally sold on it and will almost always choose open-source over proprietary alternatives.

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I agree for the most part, but Excel is just so good.

They say “Excel excels at excel”.

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I prefer Google Sheets over Excel but cannot tell you why.

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I don’t use excel other than as a glorified calculator. I don’t use word as well. My department knows and I am pretty open when I do interviews. If the job requires to open more than 1 file Excel every 2 months, I am out. If I need to open a single excel sheet with VBA, they wasted my time.

Excel is fine, is what people do with excel that is not fine

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I’m curious why you chose R as an alternative to Matlab instead of Scilab. Scilab is specifically designed to be a free and open source alternative to Matlab.

For my thesis I was writing some test software and when deciding which language to use Matlab was immediately ruled out due to the cost (and also the extra cost for the toolkits I’d need). I instead went with Scilab which now means that anybody wanting to reproduce my results can do so freely.

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Because at the time I needed more the statistical and plotting part. Ggplot was not yet a thing, but R was already pretty nice for plotting and stat.

I was using other, lower-level languages for more intensive tasks, as I was working in high performance computing.

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I wish I could bribe past me with future cookies…

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Leave one out overnight and tell your present self that they can have it in the future if they do x before tomorrow. If you succeed, then you get a cookie. If you fail, eat the cookie anyway. At least you tried.

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Soooooooo it wasn’t “the gamers” making the credible threats after all, even if I wouldn’t put it past the gaming community to make threats of this nature.

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What even is “the gaming community” anymore? Basically everyone except boomers play games.

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What is a community? Recommended reading: Imagined Communities by Benedict Anderson.

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…There’s probably an ecological definition for “community” that you could try to transfer over… I think in cases where a large group of individuals don’t actually interact with all of each other either directly or indirectly, but are nonetheless relevant as a grouping because they share a particularly contextually prominent set of traits (E.G. “Plays Video Games”), then “population” might be a more appropriate term (if a bit sterile).

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I think it is more than just people who plays games. It’s more people who play games and participate in community, which is a smaller percentage, though still probably quite big

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I’m not sure if anyone at Unity ever accused the gamers, we all just jumped to the conclusion because that’s exactly the kind of thing the scene would do.

I’m pretty sure back when I made games, it wasn’t Unity employees sending me unhinged tantrums because a number was changed from an 11 to a 12.

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Why would Unity go against the gamers? They are the one who are going to generate installations.

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Maybe Unity thought it would be a good way to make some noise and keep Unity in people’s mouths.

The inverted Oscar Slap, that was supposed to keep the object’s name out of people’s mouths.

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Why would anyone be surprised?

That Unity employee could have been put up to make those threats to smear the policy’s detractors for all we know.

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That’s an implausible take. Loyal employees wouldn’t go for such a ploy and disgruntled employees … well, conceivably would take such action on their on volition.

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True. They also could’ve just lied.

I wonder if/when someone can FOIA the police records. I really want to know now

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“an employee made a threat towards his employer using social media”

Wow. That’s… probably against their internal social media policy.

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HR won’t take kindly to that on their annual performance review.

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“The customers love you, your colleagues respect and trust you… but upper management have expressed concerns about your comments around flaying them and their families alive.”

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15 points

“let’s see…areas for improvement. 'Fewer death threats towards co-workers”."

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11 points

There won’t be another annual review if the company stops existing

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4 points

Problem solved!

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A nice company has a great product and is well liked by its customers.

New executive manager comes in and thinks “how can I quickly get a huge bonus”? The answer always is implement new changes that will tuin the company in a year and a half, but that manager will have received his bonuses and is gone, leaving the company in ruins.

I can’t say 100% for sure that this is what happened, but whenever something like this happens, it’s just somebody deciding they want a quick buck

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I dont understand how the board allows this behaviour, how do they not interween when an executive clearly is abusing the terms of the contract at the expense of the conpany

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They know exactly what they’re doing.

They’ve been collecting metrics for months and plugging them into spreadsheets to figure out exactly how profitable this will be, just waiting for the right moment to pull the trigger.

They knew it would be incredibly unpopular. They knew it would likely kill the company one day.

But the spreadsheet doesn’t care about any of that so neither do they. They sold off stocks then made the announcement.

When the changes go live, they’ll squeeze everything they can out of successful projects, who will be left in a position of “losing 50% to Unity is better than losing 100% from pulling the game”.

They’ll stuff their pockets with us much of that money as they can and when the spreadsheet tells them to, they’ll pull the plug and strip the company for parts.

It was the best thing for them and that was all that mattered.

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Not to mention money can be made litteraly betting on the stock price swinging from the bad news. Calls and puts plan far enough in advance and automate/preset triggers via broker agreements and can even avoid getting nailed for the obvious insider trading a lot of the time.

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This shit should be illegal. If it isn’t already.

Destroying a company for your own personal gain is why America is falling under

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They also made the announcement right after an iPhone announcement. Unfortunately, the iPhone was completely underwhelming, so the news didn’t get buried like they probably expected.

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The executive was hired by the board or with the board support (CEO usually)

They did exactly what they wanted

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The stakeholders want to cash out. A temporary bump to increase the company’s value with no regard for future prospects is great for them.

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This scheme worked fine for thousands before him, so clearly board members are not an issue, presumably because they benefit from it.

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$$$

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