Gaza has 2 million inhabitants, 42.3% of which are 14 and younger. Anyone else a little bit worried?
One of the most chilling things you realize as you grow up and attain even a degree of political and historical awareness, is that genocide is not just something that happens in the past. It doesn’t happen because an evil army materializes and does bad things until the good guys save the day. It’s something carried out, in the open, with the support or at the very least indifference of people around you. It’ll happen on TV, in social media posts, for everyone to see. They will observe it and their reactions will range from apathy to cruel elation. Then they’ll turn off their TVs or put away their phones and go shopping.
Maybe the Palestinians will be able to resist enough to deal a massive blow. I know they will fight. I hope for the best. But for now,
Fuck Israel. Fuck Zionists. Fuck America. Fuck the West.
genocide is not just something that happens in the past
It happened like last week too. The entire population of Nagorno-Karabakh fled the region out of fear of massacres.
wtf how did I miss this. literally Artsakh surrendered and everyone left and not a peep on the news
Israel invading Gaza with ground troops would provoke a response from Hezbollah and probably some other nearby nations, and they just spent the last year sending a bunch of their shit to Ukraine. Not to mention that Hamas is expecting a response and probably has all kinds of ambushes ready to go.
I don’t know if the Israeli government is insane enough to go in, but it will be the beginning of the end for them if they do.
it will be the beginning of the end for them if they do.
Please don’t hang too much hope on this. The counter-offensive will likely be absolute barbarism. Israel has an enormous military advantage. I don’t know what will happen but it’s very likely that Palestine’s position will be drastically worse when this is over. I am sure they will fight with valiant creativity and unimaginable bravery, but I need you all to be ready to keep going if this results in a crushing defeat.
Palestine cannot win alone, but I do not think they will be alone. That’s part of why the initial offensive was so successful, Israel can’t put its army surrounding Gaza when Syria and Iran and Egypt exist.
I need you all to be ready to keep going if this results in a crushing defeat.
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If we’re still here after the commune and the USSR’s collapse we’re not going anywhere.
People forget the first 300 years of Capitalism was also crushing defeat vs the Fuedalists.
Israel has the unlimited backing of the great shaytan and unlike Ukraine is not utilised to grind down the military of a geopolitical rival. I hoped that the hostages taken by Hamas might deter any extreme excesses from the IDF but the unrelenting air strikes indicate that the Israeli government is more than willing to make a couple hundred martyrs.
I hoped that the hostages taken by Hamas might deter any extreme excesses from the IDF
Israel already said they will bomb houses indiscriminately without checking if they contain hostages beforehand IIRC; they don’t care.
the Israeli government is more than willing to make a couple hundred martyrs
Already more than 400 Palestinians have been killed in retaliatory airstrikes, including at least 20 children.
Also, while Israel has the backing of the imperial core, ultimately if the recent events have proved something it’s that no matter their advances in terms of means / funds / tech, ultimately sufficiently organized and motivated resistance fighters made that count for very little. Erez crossing for example was supposed to be an ultra-secure high tech border checkpoint and it got wrecked instantly.
including at least 20 children.
Israel had unlimited backing by the US when they got thoroughly embarrassed by Hezbollah in '06 too. it seems like Hezbollah’s willing to get involved in the case of a ground invasion, I don’t think it’d turn out well for Israel.
Israel has said they will level Damascus and kill Assad if Hezbollah invaded them, which seems odd but they are willing to drag a 3rd party into the war. If Syria and Lebanon are going in, Iran and Iraq likely will too at some level
is on the other side of the globe (carrier fleets are a joke in 2023); Iran and Egypt are right next door. Palestine, on its own, cannot defeat Israel, but with the help of its neighbors, I believe it can.
Eh, oppressing poor civilians is about what carriers are useful for in 2023, and the IRGCN would have to transit Suez to get to them. Most likely, the strike group is there to provide Anti-Ballistic Missile coverage for
Israel invading Gaza with ground troops would provoke a response from Hezbollah and probably some other nearby nations
I’m not holding my breath on it.
Maybe, but there’s indications Iran helped with planning this insurrection and Hezbollah has definitely mobilised. We’ll see.
What indications are those? I assumed everyone saying that on cable news was just coping and trying to blame Iran because they’re the bad guy
This is going to be ugly no matter what, but the Palestinian fighters winning is the only outcome that opens the possibility of a better world. I wish them the best.
I think everyone is worried. But we have to trust the resistance fighters that organized this. It’s always been a possibility. They have to have planned for this eventuality. Hopefully Israel invading fully is exactly what is needed to move forward towards liberation.
this operation was likely planned years in advance and the speed and precision of Hamas’ actions illustrate this. these people were born at war w their occupiers, their whole lives have led up to this moment of organized resistance. critical support to Palestinians in their efforts against settler-colonialism, genocide, and imperialism. we must not wring our hands over whether this will end badly for Palestine, we may not know the end for years.
a healthy amount of optimism will do us well: urban warfare is costly and dangerous for the aggressor, Hezbollah and Iran will likely intervene if IDF forces invade Gaza, western arms and aid are tied up in Ukraine, IDF soldiers (like US soldiers) are used to bullying civilians and poorly armed rebels so an organized, moderately-equipped Hamas is something they’re unfamiliar with
To take a step further back, given Saudi’s cooling relationship with the US and the fragile state of the petro-dollar Israeli aggression in Gaza might have wider reprecussions in the Arab world, weakening America’s position by association.
definitely. KSA has been playing both sides of the trade war but now the normalization of Saudi-Israeli relations is at risk. and with KSA joining BRICS, the west doesn’t hold nearly as much sway in the Middle East. Israel will soon be the only state there where the US has significant soft power. real cool zone hours
The US has irreparably pissed off almost every major oil and gas producing power so if the Arab states turn against it, we could be looking at another OPEC embargo.
Double funny if OPEC also includes the EU for supporting Israel. Give those arrogant Eurocrats something to think about over winter.
Evangelicals are vibrating HARD right now.
I saw someone on twitter ask if Jesus is coming back because Israel is at war
My adoptive parents think this might be the start of the rapture
They always think whatever is going on is the start of “Armageddon” though
Uncritical support to a rapture if it ever happened to take away all the fundamentalist reactionaries
