Let this be a reminder to anyone who hasn’t liked Biden’s handling of the Gaza situation that this is the alternative.
Bro, just because Trump is worse than Biden doesn’t make Biden immune to criticism
Sure, criticize away, and you absolutely should. It’s just important to not get so carried away that you wind up contributing to an outcome that you openly know to be objectively worse at the ballot box.
It’s also important to not get carried away in support because you’re too afraid of losing to even try to improve the outcome. We could do better than Biden, and Biden could do better.
Sometimes though, you even do so much as lightly criticize Biden and you get called a Trumper. It’s like there’s only two extremes and if you’re not one, you’re the other.
First past the post voting, Citizens United, and the Electoral College, among other reasons.
Why can someone collect social security and enact policy that takes it away from people paying into it?
No senior citizen should be allowed to hold office.
for many matters trump and biden are identical
trump moved the embassy to jerusalem, legitimizing israel’s violation of international law
biden goes over and gives netanyahu a big hug on TV in order to make it clear to the whole world he openly endorses genocide
trump started the border wall
biden expanded construction on it
trump unilaterally broke the iranian nuclear deal
biden makes no real effort to reinstate it
trump puts tariffs on chinese steel and other imports from china
biden continues the same tariffs
trump used “temporary” covid measures in order to refuse people at the border seeking asylum and separate families
biden uses the same exact policies, again in violation of both international and internal laws
the difference between them is narrow and focused on specific topics. for example biden is nice to the rainbow flag.
to make it clear to the whole world he openly endorses genocide
If that’s your takeaway, you’ll have to forgive me for thinking that you’re not exactly engaging in any meaningful amount of good faith and moving on.
It is amusing, however, that you say the only difference between them is in narrow specific topics after you’ve just cherrypicked a few select specific topics. As a member of that rainbow flag myself though, that’s a difference I rather appreciate.
I support gay rights, trans rights, whatever you wanna call yourself rights.
But the 12+ million people living here illegally being promised immigration reform for decades, including by Biden, have it much harder than the gays and are continously ignored and lately the government has been increasingly hostile to them
Biden, the supposed reformer, even did a photoshoot at the border with border patrol agents to inaugurate the expansion of the wall he promised to halt construction of.
I grew up illegal. I was under DACA. I trusted Biden to do something, because he said he would. I realize now (I knew before but chose to believe) that it’s all a scam. And the worst part is. The kicker is… that I’m probably going to vote for him anyways.
This country is a cruel uncaring machine that systematically crushes any sliver of hope.
Reagan did more for illegals than any democrat ever did. Ronald fuckin Reagan. I’ll give Obama credit for DACA. I assumed Biden would continue in those steps, but instead he’s gone Full Trump.
As for Israel, what they’re doing is genocide. If you read the facts and have any sliver of empathy or reason then you would see that. Biden knows. Trump knew. They don’t care. Because we actually don’t hold any humanitarian values. It’s all secondary to money and power
Neither do you. We do both know, however, what they are doing. Like sending thousands of bombs to Israel so that they can kill more Palestinians. I believe the latest shipment was about 8,000 bombs. At the rate they’re, going that’s enough for a bit over a week.
I understand there’s nuance to the situation that I’m ignoring to make a sparky comment. It’s obvious the US is trying to pull back the chain on Israel a little more tightly, especially after the hospital explosion, but at the end of the day Israel is an extension of the US.
The ethnic cleansing and apartheid did not start Oct 7th. Both Biden and Trump have made it clear they are very pro-Israel. Probably Biden wouldn’t have moved the embassy, I think.
for many matters trump and biden are identical
trump moved the embassy to jerusalem, legitimizing israel’s violation of international law
Not that I really want to be defending Trump here, but remember that the US does not recognize international law.
biden goes over and gives netanyahu a big hug on TV in order to make it clear to the whole world he openly endorses genocide
Because of the way Israel handled the situation, there was really no way Biden was going to be able to take one side or the other without pissing somebody off. Both were in the wrong. Hamas clearly should not have attacked unprovoked and taken hundreds of hostages, but Israel should not have gone full “Kill 'em all and let God sort them out” mode either. The hospital bombing didn’t do anyone any favors either, as you could have video evidence proving who was responsible and people still wouldn’t believe it.
trump started the border wall
Actually, no. George HW Bush stared the wall and every single president since him has expanded it ever since. Trump was just the first to make it a focal point of his campaign and policy.
biden expanded construction on it
So did every president before him.
trump unilaterally broke the iranian nuclear deal
biden makes no real effort to reinstate it
Iran was pissed that Trump unilaterally broke it in the first place, and feel that attempting to re-negotiate would be pointless if the next administration can just unilaterally drop it on a whim. Plus, with Iran seemingly readying to go up against Israel, any attempt to reinstate it is probably dead on arrival at this point.
trump puts tariffs on chinese steel and other imports from china
biden continues the same tariffs
Why should Biden lift tariffs from a country that is becoming increasingly hostile to us and have far more draconian measures in place in their own country?
trump used “temporary” covid measures in order to refuse people at the border seeking asylum and separate families
biden uses the same exact policies, again in violation of both international and internal laws
Again, international law does not apply in the US, and many countries had strict immigration policies in place regarding COVID.
the difference between them is narrow and focused on specific topics. for example biden is nice to the rainbow flag.
Well if that isn’t awfully condescending…
yeah i guess i’m just dense.
when biden says one thing and does another, i guess really he’s not breaking a promise. like with the saudis or with the border wall. i must be misunderstanding
Biden isn’t really expanding border wall construction. There hasn’t been a policy shift to build a giant wall to solve immigration issues. Just a single case of wall being built. Every one of your points are skin deep and ignores a lot of nuance. Not to mention the condescending comment on being nice to the rainbow flag.
You guys have “a Religion”?
American Christianity. It’s like Christianity but cutting out all the stuff that Christ guy talked about.
Christ: When someone slaps you turn the other cheek.
Conservative Christians: Instructions unclear, passes stand your ground law and turns their cheek onto iron sights and starts blastin.
Trump is the religion. Next move is to deport anybody that doesn’t follow it.
I know people have said “money,” but if there’s anything akin to “a Religion,” it’s American Fundamentalism, the weird amalgamation of white supremacy, conspiracy theories, Christian fundamentalism, apocalypticism, colonialism, constitutional originalism, and American nationalism.
It’s festered beneath the surface for decades, and Trump was the first to seize upon the true believers and become their defacto demigod. He even has actual pastors revering him not just for his rhetoric but as an actual messiah figure.
How fucking Christian of him.
I almost wish religion was real, just so Jesus could come back and start smiting Trump and the rest of these fake Christians.
While I agree with the sentiment, we should take a step back.
“Our” religion!? And what would that be? Pretty sure the founding fathers made it damn clear that there was no official religion and we were to separate church and state.
I’m so sick of these Christian fascists that see the handmaid’s tale as something to aspire to and the grifting assholes that will drive that into existence for their own personal gain…
I say if we deport anyone it’s the people who start forcing their religion on the rest of us.
“Our” religion!? And what would that be?
In theory, yes. There should be a separation of church and state.
In practice though, there are a lot of Republicans who would welcome a fascist theocracy and they’re working toward that end. They get away with it because there are so few moderate Christians who are willing to go to war with these assholes.
The religion he’s talking about isn’t Christianity. Trump wouldn’t recognize Jesus Christ if he smacked him in the face. He’s talking about Trumpism.
Trump wouldn’t recognize Jesus Christ if he smacked him in the face.
Just for the record… if Jesus came back, he’d do a lot more than smack Trump in the face - I don’t want to get into details, but I’d imagine the involvement of a holy flamethrower is a distinct possibility.
As someone who grew up in a religious household but is now agnostic….I sometimes have second thoughts with the fact that trump is basically frame for frame the “antichrist.”…and we were taught that the Antichrist would be “injured” for a short time but they will eventually win and that’s when the NWO, join or die and the mark of the beast shit will happen. Sometimes that gives me pause for the future.
What are your thoughts?
I always thought the antichrist would have to be pretty smart. Either Trump has been playing the long con for the past 60 years or he’s the moron so many people who have interacted with him say he is.
But if you don’t look at intelligence, everything that was predicted about the Antichrist is true when it comes to trump. Sometimes my previous upbringing comes up and I start to wonder if he really is the Antichrist
“Our” religion.
Dude doesn’t even know how to orient a Bible for a photo op, and couldn’t name his favorite part - or any part - of the Bible in an interview.
The closest he gets to studying Christianity is sitting next to a book of Hitler’s speeches for inspiration via osmosis from a Catholic.
That he can be so successful with the religious right says quite a lot about their critical reasoning abilities.
I guess maybe raising children not to question anything and to commit themselves to obeying authority might not have been the best idea in retrospect…
There is a worse example than that! At a panel in 2015, he was asked if he has ever prayed for forgiveness, and he said no. It’s the core part of protestant conversion, and he denied doing it and seemed confused by the concept.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4624981/asked-god-forgiveness
I mean, why would he? You have to feel as though you’ve done something wrong in order to ask for forgiveness. I genuinely don’t think Trump has ever done anything that he recognizes as wrong. I think you could get him to recognize that he’s done things that have hurt people, intellectually, but at best he’d say it was someone else’s fault and/or they deserved it.
That he can be so successful with the religious right says quite a lot about their critical reasoning abilities.
It’s a cult. They aren’t consistent with the values of Christianity, because it’s just an aesthetic. The cult itself is always first. In-group vs out-group. Ally vs enemy.
Tankies are the same. Communism is just an aesthetic, the cult is always first.
Hasn’t anyone noticed that he is the actual embodiment of the 7 deadly sins?
I’ve pointed that out many times.
Anger, Envy, Vanity, Lust, Avarice, Gluttony, Sloth- he embodies them all.
This pastor had some observations…
I don’t think that I’ve seen that one, and even as an atheist I was like “well… maybe???”
I remember that article. I’m not Christian - and so don’t believe in an anti-Christ. However, if you told me that the anti-Christ was real and was alive today (and I had some iron-clad reason to believe you were telling the truth), Trump would be my first guess.
For real, though. I was raised Catholic, and a big part of the belief was that the devil would try to sway you away from God’s teachings. That the devil would use trickery and temptation to lure people into evil, and would turn us against eachother. I was taught that it would even turn parents against their own children. (Sound familiar?)
Mind you, I was lucky in the sense that the community I grew up in actually followed the “love thy neighbor” stuff, so my experience is probably anecdotal.
It’s at the point where I’m not sure any of them would believe Jesus if he ever hypothetically returned. They would probably just explain it away with conspiracy theories and blame someone else if they were ever questioned on it.
It’s almost funny how many religious people seem to think saying a few prayers on the death bed will absolve all of their sins. A huge part of that forgiveness is repentance/regret for misdeeds. How do they think an all knowing God would somehow not see through their ruse? It just doesn’t make sense to me.
