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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_hypothesis

I love that. “GOD created them that way to FOOL the unbelievers! He also created the universe to appear older than it is, but we knows better!” The laws of time, space, reason, and logic bend to fit their narrative.

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If that’s the case god might as well have created everything last Thursday

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27 points

It was last Tuesday you sauceless heretic!

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Last Thursdayists are a schism of Last Tuesdayism, and believe the universe is remade every Thursday.

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I kind of subscribed to that line of thought before my deconversion. That if we believe in a god with unlimited power, he has the power to create a universe that’s already 13 billion years old. But if God did that, then he’d be presenting a 6,000 year old universe as a 13 billion year old one. And doing so would make him a liar. But God doesn’t tell lies? And a god capable of lying is not a god worth following. But a god that is incapable of lying is limited in his abilities. And a god limited in his capabilities is not worth following.

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Why is a god simply being capable of lying not worth following? If he’s capable and chooses not to, isn’t that a better god than one who can’t lie?

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Well this god installed thirteen billion years of red-shifted light from the furthest visible stars. Last Tuesday.

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If God is to be regarded as an authority figure, punishes you for telling lies, and can himself lie, God is to be trusted no more than the police.

In fact, we should be challenging God like we do with the police.

Which kind of explains a lot about this country.

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Yeah but he did though. Multiple times.

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Nah it wouldn’t make him a liar- it isn’t necessarily an attempt to fool humans, in my opinion any God capable of doing something like that did it for their own reasons, not as some cosmic prank

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If God was real he would probably be a massive pervert, considering he’s just watching us while we don’t have clothes on all the time. Bit of a weirdo.

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Man, I sure do love it when our all-loving God does everything in his power to trick non-believers into further doubt so they burn in hell for eternity!

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6 points

What a swell guy

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And God did all this last Tuesday.

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I mean the “fool unbelievers” thing is stupid but also it’s not really unreasonable that if you could speak things into existence and did so for cosmic entertainment or whatever that you would make it at the point that it’s actually interesting. Like if I was going to make people I probably wouldn’t start with infants, I would start with actual independent ones. Likewise I wouldn’t start with an infant universe

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But then how do you know he did not create everything 5 seconds ago? Shouldn’t be a problem for him to create memories surely. Or maybe he hasn’t created anything yet, but he is just thinking about it and we are literally his imagination.
The logical conclusion of this is we can’t really know anything including wether or not god is real, which brings us right back to the start, doesn’t it?

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No, you are completely right, but it’s kind of the same with the “we are living in a simulation” thing (there isn’t really a functional difference between a God’s imagination and a simulation).

A more interesting question to me is not where we came from, but if there is an endgame. Created 5 seconds, 500 million years ago, ‘real’, or just avatars in a superconsciousness, the question remains- is there a “RIGHT” way to use our agency and experience?

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Nah god is definitely just an introvert who doesn’t want us to know about him. Joke’s on the thiests, they’re gonna be eternally punished for not leaving him alone. Which is horrible–did I mention he’s also an asshole? /s (/s because I don’t believe in any god, to be clear)

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And he made the earth flat but he is fooling the non-believers into thinking it’s a globe! Trust me bro

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The thing is, many of these issues shows up in Christianity, and not in Judaism or Islam.

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This feels like the Haruhi Suzumiya theory where the universe was created like 2 years prior to the beginning of the series.

And somehow the one created for a young adult novel series seems more realistic than the one actual people believe.

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35 points

I will not stand for Lilith erasure

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5 points

neither will I

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27 points

Not as funny as pictures of Jesus wearing a cross.

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25 points

I have a theory, but I’m betting nobody truly wants to hear it.

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28 points

I bet it has something to do with Adam and Eve being fictional characters in the mythological texts of a bunch of hokey religions.

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5 points

Surprisingly, no.

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Then it’s more of an imagining than a theory isn’t it?

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9 points

Go on…

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32 points

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9 points

I was the alien. I can confirm

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Humanoids already existed (think slightly more advanced Neanderthal types). Adam and Eve were both of these, but they were changed (flash of inspiration, touch of God, random mutation, take your pick) effectively elevated them above that level. (God evolved his Pokemon. LOL) So, while they were “created” as many and woman, they had a standard mammalian birth, and thus each have a bellybutton.

Just a hypothesis, nothing more. Do with it as you will.

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As an evolutionary biologist I promise you that this makes way more sense in your head than it makes in actual reality. This is not how evolution works.

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The closest thing scientifically that we’ll ever come to Adam and Eve is probably Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve

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And then the rest of the humanoids just died off? That just raises more questions lol

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5 points

God gave birth to them?

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The labour was 7 days long. After that He invented the epidural.

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And yet when I think about it, it really doesn’t seem that mad. If god is real and can make people he’s certainly capable of making people with belly buttons.

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