To the ~33% people who have downvoted this: you’re literally arguing against a person’s right not to have their body receive unnecessary surgical manipulations until they’re old enough to actually consent to it. Babies are not their parents’ property. Let people decide when they’re adults.
Unfortunately a lot of Americans believe children are the property of their parents. We need a children’s bill of rights.
Do you think that anyone born with a cleft palate, cleft lip, hemangiomas, craniosynostosis, facial palsy, or any corrective jaw surgeries should be told to wait until 18 when all of these procedures are far less effective and far more difficult to do?
Fair enough, there are quite a bunch of other cases where it might be justified to accept an imperfect form of consent. Still, it might be argued that some of those are necessary surgeries.
Referencing the fact that the vast majority of AMAB Jewish babies get circumcised is racist?
For a community that claims to hate religion, atheists sure do carry a lot of water for Judaism, and Islam to a lesser extent.
Seems that Christianity is the only acceptable religion to bash.
Broke the cycle with my son. It was insane the amount of people who didn’t even belong to a religion that this is a symptom of, who were pushy about me having it performed. If my son wants to be cut, he can make that decision for himself later in life. All of the atheists I know, were the ones that were anti-mutilation.
If my son wants to be cut
Why the hell would he want to? If there’s no medical reason, there’s no reason at all.
At that point, he would be an adult making a decision. It doesn’t matter why for us in regards to his choice. Maybe he becomes religious or succumbs to social pressure. He could get a Prince Albert, too, or those weird beads.
As a parent it’s their job to protect him from harmful societal norms and religious indoctrination until he becomes an adult. Hopefully the education sticks long enough for him to deeply understand and respect his body, to seek out more helpful mentorship when needed, and pass along that education and protection to his future potential children.
It’s not that I disagree, I just can’t imagine anyone who’s not broken in the brain to want this.
Tell that to the chick who turned herself into Barbie or those twins that did… whatever it was to themselves and thought it looked anything but horrifying.
Yes, I’m straight up saying they’re objectively ugly af. Don’t even care if that’s some kind of discrimination. They’re just dumb, they made a stupid mistake, and I don’t even think they’ve admitted it to themselves yet.
They had every right to do it though. It was just a bad idea in every single humanly possible way.
I’m from muslim family but atheist and have nothing against it. Like, it is just operation that become too popular at some point. Or was forced on people to prevent an epidemy of some sort. It is still recommended across many surgeons at least as far as i know. It is just easier to recover from when you are younger. Similar to recovering from smallpox.
I am surprised by amount of negativity on this sub. Like it is almost impossible to have a decent conversation. People just go nuts about operation which is about hygiene. Good luck, guys. I just don’t see myself here
isn’t this true for a heap of non Jewish American males too?
I think the difference is that it is performed in the US even without religious background.
Usually this happens because the parents would be Jewish or Muslim.
That 20-80% variance makes it look as though Australia and America have the same rates of circumcision
My wife is European Jewish but not religious. I’m Hispanic. The number of her relatives who asked us about or had an opinion about our baby’s penis was infuriating and alarming. I got a bit harsh with my replies after a while and they clued in and shut up about it.
It’s interesting how many apparently religious people feel the need to hang out in an atheist community.
The amount of concern trolling that happens in here is astonishing… And frankly the amount of anti trans, anti gay replies and up votes in the replies here is concerning.
People like to concern troll about how their specific religion gets targeted while simultaneously bashing on the gays. It’s infuriating. We need much more stringent/frequent bans. Reddits r/atheism was like this too before they actively started banning people for it.
There was an entire subreddit dedicated to the sheer amount of concern trolling, JAQing off, and other crap that r/atheism had to endure. It was r/ShitAtheismTakes and was set up by one of the moderators, iirc. I don’t believe this community is safe from those same trolls, and more moderation will be needed to keep them at bay. Religious folk attack in droves.
