200 points

I’d pay extra for no AI in any of my shit.

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110 points

I would already like to buy a 4k TV that isn’t smart and have yet to find it. Please don’t add AI into the mix as well :(

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38 points

Look into commercial displays

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46 points

The simple trick to turn a “smart” TV into a regular one is too cut off its internet access.

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12 points

I was just thinking the other day how I’d love to “root” my TV like I used to root my phones. Maybe install some free OS instead

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You can if you have a pre-2022 LG TV. It’s more akin to jailbreaking since you can’t install a custom OS, but it does give you more control.

https://rootmy.tv

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All TVs are dumb TVs if they have no internet access

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6 points

We got a Sceptre brand TV from Walmart a few years ago that does the trick. 4k, 50 inch, no smart features.

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3 points

I just disconnected my smart TV from the internet. Nice and dumb.

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5 points

Still slow UI.
If only signage displays would have the fidelity of a regular OLED consumer without the business-usage tax on top.

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Signage TVs are good for this. They’re designed to run 24/7 in store windows displaying advertisements or animated menus, so they’re a bit pricey, and don’t expect any fancy features like HDR, but they’ve got no smarts whatsoever. What they do have is a slot you can shove your own smart gadget into with a connector that breaks oug power, HDMI etc. which someone has made a Raspberry Pi Compute Module carrier board for, so if you’re into, say, Jellyfin, you can make it smart completely under your own control with e.g. libreELEC. Here’s a video from Jeff Geerling going into more detail: https://youtu.be/-epPf7D8oMk

Alternatively, if you want HDR and high refresh rates, you’re okay with a smallish TV, and you’re really willing to splash out, ASUS ROG makes 48" 4K 10-bit gaming monitors for around $1700 US. HDMI is HDMI, you can plug whatever you want into there.

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I don’t have a TV, but doesn’t a smart TV require internet access? Why not just… not give it internet access? Or do they come with their own mobile data plans now meaning you can’t even turn off the internet access?

Anti Commercial-AI license

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15 points

They continually try to get ob the Internet, it’s basically malware at this point. The on board SoC is also usually comically underpowered so the menus stutter.

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7 points

A lot of TVs are requiring an account login before being able to use it.

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3 points

I’m sure that’s coming up.

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2 points

As a yearly fee for DRMd televisions that require Internet access to work at all maybe

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1 point

Right now it’s easier to find projectors without it and a smart os. Before long tho it’s gonna be harder to find those without a smart os and AI upscaling

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80 points

The dedicated TPM chip is already being used for side-channel attacks. A new processor running arbitrary code would be a black hat’s wet dream.

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51 points

It will be.

IoT devices are already getting owned at staggering rates. Adding a learning model that currently cannot be secured is absolutely going to happen, and going to cause a whole new large batch of breaches.

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68 points

The “s” in IoT stands for “security”

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5 points

Do you have an article on that handy? I like reading about side channel and timing attacks.

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19 points

TPM-FAIL from 2019. It affects Intel fTPM and some dedicated TPM chips: link

The latest (at the moment) UEFI vulnerability, UEFIcanhazbufferoverflow is also related to, but not directly caused by, TPM on Intel systems: link

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That’s insane. How can they be doing security hardware and leave a timing attack in there?

Thank you for those links, really interesting stuff.

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2 points

It’s not a full CPU. It’s more limited than GPU.

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18 points

That’s why I wrote “processor” and not CPU.

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A processor that isn’t Turing complete isn’t a security problem like the TPM you referenced. A TPM includes a CPU. If a processor is Turing complete it’s called a CPU.

Is it Turing complete? I don’t know. I haven’t seen block diagrams that show the computational units have their own cpu.

CPUs also have co processer to speed up floating point operations. That doesn’t necessarily make it a security problem.

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66 points

I would pay for AI-enhanced hardware…but I haven’t yet seen anything that AI is enhancing, just an emerging product being tacked on to everything they can for an added premium.

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27 points

In the 2010s, it was cramming a phone app and wifi into things to try to justify the higher price, while also spying on users in new ways. The device may even a screen for basically no reason.
In the 2020s, those same useless features now with a bit of software with a flashy name that removes even more control from the user, and allows the manufacturer to spy on even further the user.

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17 points

It’s like rgb all over again.

At least rgb didn’t make a giant stock market bubble…

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12 points

Anything AI actually enhanced would be advertising the enhancement not the AI part.

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9 points

My Samsung A71 has had devil AI since day one. You know that feature where you can mostly use fingerprint unlock but then once a day or so it ask for the actual passcode for added security. My A71 AI has 100% success rate of picking the most inconvenient time to ask for the passcode instead of letting me do my thing.

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9 points

DLSS and XeSS (XMX) are AI and they’re noticably better than non-hardware accelerated alternatives.

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Already had that Google thingy for years now. The USB/nvme device for image recognition. Can’t remember what it’s called now. Cost like $30.

Edit: Google coral TPU

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I use it heavily at work nowadays. It would be nice to run it locally.

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14 points

You don’t need AI enhanced hardware for that, just normal ass hardware and you run AI software on it.

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2 points

But you can run more complex networks faster. Which is what I want.

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4 points

https://github.com/huggingface/candle

You can look into this, however it’s not what this discussion is about

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2 points

An NPU, or Neural Processing Unit, is a dedicated processor or processing unit on a larger SoC designed specifically for accelerating neural network operations and AI tasks.

Exactly what we are talking about.

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1 point

I’m curious what you use it for at work.

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I’m a programmer so when learning a new framework or library I use it as an interactive docs that allows follow up questions.

I also use it to generate things like regex and SQL queries.

It’s also really good at refactoring code and other repetitive tasks like that

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Not the guy you were asking but it’s great for writing powershell scripts

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I’m generally opposed to anything that involves buying new hardware. This isn’t the 1980s. Computers are powerful as fuck. Stop making software that barely runs on them. If they can’t make ai more efficient then fuck it. If they can’t make game graphics good without a minimum of a $1000 gpu that produces as much heat as a space heater, maybe we need to go back to 2000s era 3d. There is absolutely no point in making graphics more photorealistic than maybe Skyrim. The route they’re going is not sustainable.

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The point of software like DLSS is to run stuff better on computers with worse specs than what you’d normally need to run a game as that quality. There’s plenty of AI tech that can actually improve experiences and saying that Skyrim graphics are the absolute max we as humanity “need” or “should want” is a weird take ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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The quality of games has dropped a lot, they make them fast and as long as it can just about reach 60fps at 720p they release it. Hardware is insane these days, the games mostly look the same as they did 10 years ago (Skyrim never looked amazing for 2011. BF3, Crysis 2, Forza, Arkham City etc. came out then too), but the performance of them has dropped significantly.

I don’t want DLSS and I refuse to buy a game that relies on upscaling to have any meaningful performance. Everything should be over 120fps at this point, way over. But people accept the shit and buy the games up anyway, so nothing is going to change.

The point is, we would rather have games looking like Skyrim with great performance vs ‘4K RTX real time raytracing ultra AI realistic graphics wow!’ at 60fps.

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The quality of games has dropped a lot, they make them fast

Isn’t the public opinion that games take way too long to make nowadays? They certainly don’t make them fast anymore.

As for the rest, I also can’t really agree. IMO, graphics have taken a huge jump in recent years, even outside of RT. Lighting, texture quality shaders, as well as object density and variety have been getting a noticeable bump. Other than the occasional dud and awful shader compilation stutter that has plagued many PC games over the last few years (but is getting more awareness now) I’d argue that game performance is pretty good for most games right now.

That’s why I see techniques like DLSS/FSR/XeSS/TSR not as crutch, but as just as one of the dozen other rendering shortcuts game engines have accumulated over the years. That said, it’s not often we see a new technique deliver such a big performance boost while having almost no visual impact.

Also, who decided that ‘we’ would rather have games looking like Skyrim? While I do like high FPS very much, I also do like shiny graphics with all the bells and whistles. A Game like ‘The Talos Principle 2’ for example does hammer the GPU quite a bit on its highest settings, but it certainly delivers in the graphics department. So much so that I’ve probably spent as much time admiring the highly detailed environments as I did actually solving the puzzles.

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3 points

We should have stopped with Mario 64. Everything else has been an abomination.

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There is absolutely no point in making graphics more photorealistic than maybe Skyrim.

Sure there is. It looks pretty, and people like pretty. Maybe you don’t particularly care, but many people do. There’s a reason Skyrim got a whole HD remake in 2016, and there’s a reason that most of the most popular mods for both versions are mods that add incredibly hi-res textures.

Also, that’s quite an exaggeration there. I have yet to run into a game I can’t run with my $200 GPU. Sure, I can’t run every game at 4k ultra settings with ray tracing, but you clearly don’t care about that type of thing, so why would that matter?

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44 points

Only 7% say they would pay more, which to my mind is the percentage of respondents who have no idea what “AI” in its current bullshit context even is

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10 points

Or they know a guy named Al and got confused. ;)

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7 points

Maybe I’m in the minority here, but I’d gladly pay more for Weird Al enhanced hardware.

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2 points

Hardware breaks into a parody of whatever you are doing

Me - laughing and vibing

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2 points

A man walks down the street He says why am I short of attention Got a short little span of attention And woe my nights are so long

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I figure they’re those “early adopters” who buy the New Thing! as soon as it comes out, whether they need it or not, whether it’s garbage or not, because they want to be seen as on the cutting edge of technology.

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