Oh, wait until you get a job in most offices. Microsoft, Microsoft everywhere.
BYOD with Linux? “We can’t install the company’s spyware on it, get that security risk out of here.”
If an organisations’ security relies on the end device configuration there is no security.
You can bring your own devices, but you don’t get permission to access anything?
Or what are you even trying to say about what the end users device being able to do anything
For the user or the company? Assuming the user isn’t a moron with computers?
Edit: guess im out of the loop as a contractor who generally only does BYOD with my linux machine
For the company, and no one should ever assume for a moment that everyone has their guard up at all times and is infallible.
When you’re supporting ten thousand machines on four continents and confirming to twenty different data protection doctrines the last thing you need is some neckbeard rocking up demanding to store data in their unauditable homebrew fork of Haiku or some shit.
What is achieved with GPOs and agents is compliance, not security.
In other words, company issued devices don’t protect the data, but they ensure conformity with relevant regulations and standards. Which is what most organisations actually care about.
Many good IT people really do care about actual information security, but not those in charge.
The result are devices that hinder some people’s work but provide questionable actual security.
Im all for privacy and obviously working where you want to but like really? Your unwilling to take a position if the desktop/laptop you use only for work doesn’t have an OS that’s acceptable? Regardless of pay/perks/etc you wouldn’t take a position where everything is perfect except you have to use their specified OS? This is genuine curiosity hopefully this doesn’t come accross as me trying to say I doubt you or your not entitled to your opinions but I just don’t get it, curious to understand why. What industry do you work in? It makes sense if a certain OS could make your job harder but I would be more worried about being able to use software that I want rather than OS at least at my current position.
I am so looking forward to my daughters to become students. Definitely going to discuss this topic through with every person I have to. I am so not going to use WhatsApp or whatever similar software again. If there’s no other solution, they can call me or write a letter :D
Yeah but if you don’t have brightwheel or seesaw or whatever the fuck, you won’t be getting important notifications. They only only call when you’re late for pickup or your kid shit so bad you have to take them home. Some of these are tied to billing as well. Don’t want to use My School Bucks? No aftercare or cafeteria breakfast/lunch. Sack lunch only.
It’s a huge pain but in many cases there’s no way around it.
I’m aware the original subject matter of this post is different, but the walled garden apps that you have to use no matter what start as soon as they enter preschool
I don’t know any of these apps and I don’t know if they are used in Europe too, but if I really have to use some of these apps (and I understand that can absolutely happen), there will be an old/cheap phone laying around with these apps installed, they won’t be on my primary phone.
I concede that that may not be the case outside of the US. In my experience here, though, there’s a whole world of apps and ecosystems that schools for children use now that I’d previously never heard of.
In Europe Whatsapp is the default messaging system. Everything else is cumbersome. Sure Signal is better but only like 3 people have it.
Do what I did and send a message to everyone you care about saying “deleting whatsapp and switching to signal” or something like this.
It’s also a good way to weed out people who aren’t important in your life, I.e people who care about you will most likely install signal to keep in touch.
This is the way. I had a story in WhatsApp for 3 months every day with a picture that I am going to fully switch to Signal and Threema and won’t be available over WhatsApp anymore. As you said, people who want something from me will have to jump over their shadow and write me over one of those. And it absolutely worked, took some time, but it worked. Some people even have signal installed only to text me. The rest just calls or sends SMS. I am from Europe btw. and it worked even though WhatsApp is so strongly used over here.
Such a waste of public resources, to not develop (or fund) free and open tools for everyone, instead of paying for temporary licenses for closed software.
Just wait until you enter the workforce and your company gives you a locked down work computer.
The joys of getting special permission from the IT department so that you can install a browser other than the ancient version of Internet Explorer (no, not Edge) that came preloaded.
Absolutely. I’m convinced that any company that asks employees to use their own devices simply doesn’t understand cybersecurity.
Best case would be giving employees a choice of hardware and software from a list of compatible products, but of course that’s expensive and more work for the business so it seldom happens.
At least in the EU, the GDPR should make some employers reconsider when asking to use personal devices.
The rules can be quite a bit stricter when using a software for professional purposes, and you shouldn’t risk an employee doing whatever they want on their device.
WhatsApp for example would only be legal to use if you have explicit, written consent of all the people you’re going to save to your contacts.
In this day and age they should expect you to bring your own device. But they should also not expect you to install any of their software on your device. You simply remote to their machine. They keep it locked down, you get to use your own equipment for all the things you like (music, your personal email, internet, etc).
Or your tasks should be set up so you can do your work using a web browser (in a container - thanks Firefox) and call it a day.
I use Linux for everything and just remote into the works computers to do theirs. I am happy with that. When I went to another country recently I only brought a Steam Deck and was able to do all the work I needed to do.
I’m going through this after my work was bought out. They forced us onto their locked down computers, and they’re so locked down we literally can’t do our work on it. Execs are trying to come up with a solution, thankfully at least for now they’ve gotten corporate to agree to let us use our old laptops until they do. I think mostly because we’re extremely high value low cost, so if we’re not working, they’re losing a lot of money.
As long as it isn’t my computer, I don’t care.
I remote to all our windows machines from my Linux box which is fine with me. They can lock down their computer, I am just supposed to use what they give me. They pay me, they put the malware on their own machines, so… whatever.
Yeah some of my University classes mandated the use of this “Lockdown Browser” last year. Pretty sure it’s just spyware that, conveniently, can render HTML
