Fuck Spez
Heβs such a disgusting greedy little pig boy who frankly belongs in a deep hole where nobody will find him π
Interesting given that he is actually preparing for an apocalypse scenario where he hides out in a bunker only to emerge a leader of men.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich
I agree, but what the Irish are doing is dumb. If reddit it hit with that, then so should Google and the whole of the internet, since everything can get you videos. No one should be in charge of sensoring the internet.
Iβve read your sentence multiple times and Iβve no idea what it means.
I mean, thereβs one typo where it says βitβ instead of βisβ, but other than that it all looks to make sense enough. By all the votes it looks like most people understand it just fine.
Absolutely fuck spez.
But heβs right here. Just because heβs a fuckstick doesnβt mean heβs always wrong on every issue 100% of the time.
Various forms of censorship under the flag of βonline safetyβ have been pushed by governments since the internet began to exist. And before that with print media and television. Censorship is not the answer. Never was. First it was for porn, then it was for video games, then it was for hate speech, itβs always something.
But in the words of Captain Jean-Luc Picard,
βWith the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.β
Censorship must be opposed.
I disagree since I think censorship can be desired when combatting hate speech. Maybe we just disagree how exactly we use the word βcensorshipβ.
No, the community needs to cyber bully them off the platform. They need to feel rejection for their words, not censorship. Censorship lets them frame themselves as the victim as they seek out a smaller echo chamber on the fringes. They need to learn their words will turn the community against them
We still have to live with them. We canβt ignore them or silence them - we have to correct them
You are addressing the wrong problem. Youβre focusing on the symptom rather than the disease.
Fighting hate speech rather than hatred itself only strengthens the hatred. As soon as you say βyou mustnβt say thatβ you validate the hatred and give it power. Look at any counterculture, positive or negative. Trying to suppress it only validates it, gives it legitimacy as being important enough for the establishment to want to suppress, and if the people who might support the hatred already donβt like the people who would suppress the hate speech, youβve just poured fuel on the fire.
The problem to be fixed isnβt hate speech, itβs hatred. Itβs a tougher problem to solve, but a much more important one that you will actually get a productive effect by solving it.
Who would you have define hate speech in the US? SCOTUS?
Many citizens may agree on the definition, but I wouldnβt trust our government to draw those lines.
It requires them to restrict certain categories of video, so that users cannot share content on cyberbullying, promoting eating disorders, promotion of self harm or incitement to hatred on a number of grounds.
Yeh, fuck censorship. Letβs all be shitbags and do that stuff instead!
You donβt have to be a porn star or even a porn consumer to oppose laws banning porn.
And you donβt have to be a shitbag to recognize that, while well-intentioned, censorship is still censorship.
I have absolutely no love whatsoever for the people who would spread such crap. I would love to get rid of it. But banning the speech doesnβt do that. Itβs like smashing the altimeter in the airplane and then declaring that youβre not crashing anymore. But the reality is, smashing instruments in the airplane is never a great idea whether you are crashing or not. It just prevents you from seeing things you donβt want to. And you get hurt in the process.
Censorship, historically, has never ended up anywhere good.
I think reducing the visibility of some kinds of content can be good, especially for those under 18. E.g. when it comes to content around suicide, I think it is better if children/teenagers see βthere is support for you, please speak to a charity for free on this phone numberβ instead of pro-suicide content.
That I would actually very much agree with. As Elon himself said in the early days of the Twitter takeover, βfree speech does not mean free reachβ.
This is also why I think engagement algorithms are a cancer on our civilization. If it is in a platforms monetary interest to amplify the most vile anger inducing stuff, be that stuff that is actively bad like hate speech or simply divisive like a lot of political crap, that is bad for our society. It pushes us farther apart when we should be coming together to fix the problems that we can agree on.
It requires them to restrict certain categories of video, so that users cannot share content on cyberbullying, promoting eating disorders, promotion of self harm or incitement to hatred on a number of grounds.
Wow, what a horrible, restraining overreach.
I am shedding tears for the 1.2% engagement loss this would cost Reddit next quarter. Imagine what they have to pay devs for filtering abusive videos!
(I hate to sound so salty, but its mind boggling that they would fight this so vehemently, instead of just⦠filtering abusive content? Which they already do for anything that actually costs them any profit).
Wellβ¦the problem is redditβs size.
Iβm not part of reddit anymore because they filtered me out for abusive content.
The content that was so abusive? I told a story on /r/Cleveland about the time 35 years ago I got my bike stolen.
I wasnβt accusing any current reddit user of being the theif. But reddit bots flagged me of being abusive to other users.
We donβt even know if that guy who stole my bike 35 years ago is even still alive, much less an active redditor on /r/Cleveland. So who am I being abusive to, when I say itβs a bad idea to let strangers ride your bike without some kind of assurance youβll get it back?
I got banned when I told a literal Nazi, that said that literal Jews should die, should drink bleach to purify their genes before they contaminated the genepool.
I still stand by it. my grandfather fucked up Nazis, and Iβll fuck up Nazis too.
This is a common tactic. Iβve seen people describe the same process many times before.
- Nazi says literal Nazi shit.
- Person gets baited into responding.
- Person gets ban hammer. Nazi does not.
- Nazi moves on to next target. Repeat from step 1.
They usually trot this out when they see a comment or account they want to silence. Thatβs how the fascists do censorship on reddit.
Itβs happened to me too. Since then Iβve seen people saying the same general thing has happened to them. They must know that reddits content moderators, the βAnti-evil Operationsβ or whatever bullshit, is on their side. Itβs the only explanation. Probably the nazis went and got jobs there. Or maybe itβs just that spez is a nazi himself. Reddit beneath the thin veneer of default subreddits has always been a very right leaning platform.
I got banned from r/politics for saying fighting Nazis is an old American tradition. Every grandparent from mine and my wives trees, spaning 4 different countries of Commonwealth, all fought against fascism.
When banned from pol I commented on a half dozen news articles on the top of all telling my story, then dropping the axiom, βif you want to know whoβs in charge, find out who you canβt insultβ.
IP banned. Fuck reddit. Theyβve destroyed everything Aaron tried to build in that site, and we are all the lessor for it.
If someoneβs already on their way out, could you take that trash Spez out with you? Youd be doing everyone a solid. Thereβs lots of garbage around tho, itβs understandable if you decide some other trash. But we should all prob considering taking some trash out with us as we go, leave the world a better place and all.
Fair. +1
But also, that just sounds like theyβre cheaping out on content filtering. And, you know, kinda broke the enthusiastic community moderation that made it great in the first place.
Yes, thatβs true. This all happened like 3 weeks after they went public IPO. I didnβt buy it, because I thought reddit had a decent chance of falling on itβs ass on the free market. Itβs a 10+ year old company thatβs never made a profit. Itβs reasonable to assume it might fail.
3 weeks after I declined, and they went public, I suddenly get 3 temporary bans in a week, and the 3rd one was a permanent ban. All by autobots.
Wellβ¦the problem is redditβs size.
Theyβve never been shy about targeting certain subs and communities for shutdown when it suits their commercial interests. This has nothing to do with size and everything to do with the nature of the content itself.
These videos are pure clickbait. They feed engagement. They build up lots of enthusiasm both among content providers and active users. And, as a consequence, they make the company money.
But reddit bots flagged me of being abusive to other users.
Bots will flag any post purely based on keyword searches and AI parsing of sentiment. Its got nothing to do with your actual statement. But it also depends heavily on who you are, where you post, and how often other users flag you. Very possibly you simply got βReportβ flagged a bunch of times by other users for some reason and that - plus a naive parsing - was all the AI bot needed to know.
But Iβll also bet the post wasnβt getting thousands of unique interactions and external visits. If youβd been a power-poster who was posting a face-cam rant rather than a text blob, I suspect youβd have been fine.
same with me and /r/Toronto got banned for stating a long dead prime minister was horrible to indigenous people. they used the excuse that I was submitting too many articles about crimes in the city as that subredditβs mods automatically remove any content about crime or pro Palestinian content.
Post god knows how many photos of the CN tower, the fucking sun setting or snowβ¦hey thatβs great! anything thatβs news worthy and potentially paints the city in a bad light? nope, censored. Itβs so bad that iβm convinced the mods there are being paid under the table by the City.
I hate Reddit as much as the next guy but that just sounds like an asshole mod
They would have to hire a shitload of people to police it all along with the rest of the questionable shit on there, like jailbait or whatever other shit they turned a blind eye to until it showed up on the news
Not saying itβs right but from a business standpoint it makes sense
Donβt they flag stuff automatically?
Not sure what theyβre using on the backend, but open source LLMs that take image inputs are good now. Like, they can read garbled text from a meme and interpret it with context, easily. And this is apparently a field thats been refined over years due to the legal need for CSAM detection anyway.
They do, but theyβd still need someone to go through the flagging and check. Reddit gets away with it as it is like Facebook groups do, by offloading the moderation to users, with the admins only being roped in for ostensibly big things like ban evasion/site wide bans, or lately, if the moderators donβt toe the company line exactly.
I doubt that they would use an LLM for that. Thatβs very expensive and slow, especially for the volume of images that they would need to process. Existing CSAM detectors arenβt as expensive, and are faster. They basically compute a hash for the image, and compare it to known hashes for CSAM.
Iβm a little surprised to hear people so willing to let the government of Ireland determine who they are allowed to hate and for what reasons.
Because at this point, I trust the Irish government more than Reddit to make proper moderation judgements.
Itβs not a high bar, and not idealβ¦ but I feel social mediaβs raging internal issues have overshadowed the fear of governments worming their way inside, at least in my eyes.
You are making such a useless point that requires minimal effort or thought. It would be better if you actually shared a tangible concern rather than providing a strawman argument meant to cause an irrational fear in people reading your comment.
For example, you could have shared which group of people you want to be a protected class and is not by Irish law; or which group of people is currently a protected class by Irish law and should not be. At least, then, you would have brought up a real concern about how the Irish government is determining hate speech; because right now, all you are doing is fear mongering.
I oppose letting anyone define hate speech as a matter of principle, because even if I agree with the definition completely now, I may not continue to agree with the definition in the future. Look at what has been happening in the USA since the October 7 attack: a lot of people I had considered my political allies turned out to have beliefs I consider to be hateful, and meanwhile these people consider my own beliefs hateful. The solution is not to empower a single central authority to decide which sort of hate is allowed. It is (as it has always been) to maintain the principle of free speech.
The moved their jurisdiction to the Netherlands? In the EU? Wow. Now the GDPR can be used to really kick their butts.
Yes, but itβs easier to enforce EU regulations when the headquarters happens to be within the EU.
A move from Ireland to the Netherlands doesnβt really change much in that regard.
Arenβt there tax benefits to incorporating in Ireland? Conventional thought would suggest that the tax/regulatory environment in the Netherlands would be less attractive? Maybe thatβs wrongβ¦ I wonder what their reasons for moving were. Is that where Steve Huffman wants to build his new doomsday bunker? Gotta spread out just in case. Maybe connect it to the one in CA with a massive underwater tunnel lol clown
Dear Netherlands,
The pigboy is your problem now. Sorry not sorry.
Sincerely,
Everyone else
You can almost hear the EU lawyers cracking their knuckles and quietly saying: βabout that user data protection.β
Yeah, moving to the EU to escape regulation doesnβt seem like a smart move.
Why does anyone still use reddit? Why does anyone still use Twitter? Why does anyone still use Instagram?
Reddit has an absolutely massive wealth of community knowledge. If you want to find a community for $thing or gain obscure knowledge on $thing, thatβs where you go (assuming there isnβt an old forum post from before Reddit killed forums).
Twitter is where a lot of people still are. If youβre the kind of person to care what a particular person says, thatβs where you probably want to be.
Instagram is used by young people who have friends on Instagram.
It isnβt a great system, but it is the system that we have today. This is why legislation compelling Meta/Twitter/whothefuckever to act in an ethical manner is important. Social media is to some extent a natural oligopoly, and unless we get extremely, extremely lucky, the fediverse will always be a niche community.
Find me easier to access niche communities and Iβll be gone from reddit. I hoped Lemmy would blow up. Instead, reddit just shrank.
Find me easier to access niche communities
Have fun trying to discuss anything that isnβt about linux, american politics or reddit/amazon/elon bad!!. Lemmy is just a decentralized circle jerk.
Well i guess we should have seen it coming right. The people pissed enough with Reddit to leave were most likely to be technology proficient users and bourgeois hating leftists
Yeah I really wish people in niche communities would just migrate over. I honestly donβt understand why they havenβt yet.
Because Reddit unites everyone with the same interest in a single or at worst few subreddits. Lemmy has over 9000 instances with a bunch of communities each, half of which are defederating the other half without their users even knowing. If we thought reddit search was bad, lemmy search is non-existent. I really wanted lemmy to work, but even for someone with decent knowledge about tech it was a nightmare to figure this out. The main advantage of fediverse which is the decentralization turned out to be its main disadvantage with so much fragmentation and censorship in the form of defederationβ¦
This is basically asking why anyone would live in or near a city like Los Angeles or New York City when Minot exists and has everything you could possibly need.
If you had to look up where Minot even is, youβve proven my point.
Say what you will about whether living near the proverbial big city is worth it or not. But it cannot be denied, there is a world of experiences on offer at larger platforms that a smaller platform simply cannot provide. Network effect can be a cruel mistress.
A lot of stuff ONLY has viable Q&A discussion thereβ¦
As much as I love the idea of Lemmy, try finding active communities here for: MAME or any other videogame emulationβ¦ Plexβ¦ The breed of your family dog/catβ¦ Most any sort of non-Fedi-focused brand/podcast/personalityβ¦
Yes, I can create a new community. Then I just sit in it by myself, and occasionally deal with spam.
Discoverability is poor on Lemmy and isnβt helped by the low user count.
Would be nice to revisit an old idea from Newsgroups, where you could sub to gaming and see everything, or gaming.playstation.ps5 or gaming.emulation.mame or whatever for sub-communities.
But then the decentralised nature works against it there as well.
As someone who only recently joined Lemmy (as a result of getting booted from Reddit) it ultimately comes down to it being bigger.
You can talk regularly about series have been over for a decade. Just about any niche interest has a vibrant community. The reality is the average person doesnβt care about it selling our data, putting a fingerprint on our gear one step above spyware, it being overrun with bots, every level of administration being dominated by megalomaniacs. If you just want to look through some stuff youβre interested in while youβre bored, it serves a purpose that lemmy unfortunately canβt at itβs size.
Yeah, Reddit is not the ghost town I thought it would be after the mass exodus.
Because most people did not use 3rd party apps and do not care about siteβ²s management. Why move to someplace else if everything works great where you already are.
Itβs still active β save the communities that got kneecapped by mods during the revolt (and sadly, most of those are now Discord-based rather than having any appreciable activity here).
The activity there now is a lot⦠dumber. Like much of the internet, the ratio of real people to braindead bots on Reddit is a lot different than a few years ago.
You donβt know why someone would use a social link aggregatorβ¦ and youβre lamenting about this on a social link aggregator.
Why are you here?
Almost like they asked about a specific site and not the concept of link aggregators or something
For Twitter it really doesnβt make sense because it has become undebatably a βNazi barβ, metaphorically since they arenβt an actual bar, but they still support and tolerate Nazis (and other manners of horrible people). Some people insist that it isnβt and there are βnormal level headed people thereβ but that doesnβt matter, itβs still a Nazi bar, because it accepts and tolerates Nazis. How can someone expect to not be judged for going to and hanging out in a place like that?
Most people donβt care. Iβm sick of hearing about Reddit, I left because I do care but I donβt want to keep hearing about my ex, you know!
We are not important, we are the minority that maybe cares about these things and thatβs ok, we should live our lives the way we want to and allow others to do the same.
Agreed. Yes, itβs important to know whatβs going on in the βbigβ world - but I wish all of us more interested in Lemmy, the small web, and so on spent more time and energy on creating, maintaining, and enjoying what we can build/use and less lamenting, bashing, or wishing for what we want to leave behind.
Exactly! It reeks of superiority; I prefer to just live my life and if people are curious about the decisions I make then Iβll try and enlighten people, but if they donβt care still then thatβs ok. We canβt force people to be like us and wouldnβt want too either, because I wouldnβt want people to try and force me to go back to Reddit for instance.
Because people dream of making it big, being viral, being an influencer with a ton of followers and money. That one second of fame is still tantalising to a lot of people.
Also a lot of these apps (not reddit, but the others like Facebook) are installed on phones by default. To many, they are just what the internet is.
Nana and grandad used to do email. Now itβs just racist rainbowflag-phobic reposting on Facebook and wondering why their grandkids that havenβt looked at FB in a decade donβt contact them.
Overall, because Lemmy is slow and boring mostly. I see headlines here and go to Reddit for the comments through the geddit crawler.
I gotta disagree with you here. At least on the sub(s) that I still - on the occasion of big events - take a glance at. To me, Reddit comments are the epitome of staleness and predictability. Also, their user base seems like a bunch of 40-year-old dads that mentally peaked at 16, but keep getting more racist by the year.
