aka non consented circumcision is a human rights violations rule
Jokes aside, it’s fucked up to normalize maiming a baby by cutting skin off their dick when they are unable to consent, all in an attempt to deprive them of their sexuality years later and rip away protection to a sensitive area for no reason other than tradition. Really, there is no medically substantiated reason is the vast majority of the population except in instances of a birth defect.
It’s always upsetting no matter what but the biggest upset is when people do this to their children when they’re not even religious, which is common in the US and South Korea. I don’t think some parents realise how abnormal it is.
This is a great presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGYq1n6Ipfw
all in an attempt to deprive them of their sexuality years later
Was that the original intent? Because as someone who’s circumcised I can tell you that didn’t slow me down one bit
Imma point out that you don’t have a point of comparison. It doesn’t cause a complete inability to feel pleasure, but it absolutely has a significant impact on sensitivity.
I feel like in most of the many Reddit threads about this (seriously, they’re obsessed with foreskins) most people who were circumcised after becoming sexually active stated that they didn’t feel that much of a difference. But maybe that’s just what I took out of it to comfort myself since I’m circumcised haha.
That said I do think it’s dumb to routinely perform unnecessary surgery with unknown side effects. All surgery carries risks and there have been many serious complications from circumcisions, which carry no meaningful benefits in modern society.
Very much so, in particular Puritans wanted to stop boys from touching themselves. And in a sense it very much works, you don’t hear “used the wrong stuff for lube” types of stories out of Europe because we don’t need any in the first place (modulo using a masturbator which btw yes you should totally get, Tenga Airtech are cheap, durable, and also otherwise high-performance).
I’m circumcised and have only used lubrication to touch myself maybe 3 times. And I’ve been touching myself every single day (when I’m not having real sex with someone I’m in a relationship with) at least once a day for the past 15+ years. People use lube because it feels more like sex not because they have to. I was jacking off for at least 6 or 7 years before I finally got to experience the real thing so I just felt like lube was too messy. Especially when you jack off multiple times in a day, the thought of cleaning off lotion or whatever around my crotch 10+ times in one day sounds terrible.
Plus I’ve had many conversations with American women that I had relationships with or were just friends with that all expressed that uncircumcised dicks gross them out. So I’ve always been happy to be circumcised strictly for that reason. I doubt it happens in Europe because the women in America just aren’t used to it, but if I showed a woman my dick and she got grossed out I would be devastated.
I literally mentioned birth defects as a medically substiated reason, phimosis being one of them. Please read.
Phimosis isn’t even a birth defect, it’s not supposed to be pulled back for an infant. There’s basically no medically justifiable reason, ever, to do this to a baby.
Let’s compare this to tail-docking for dogs. There are plenty of legitimate medical reasons that a vet might dock a tail for, including the fact it can be basically impossible to heal a severe injury on one. But if you get your dogs tail docked just for the looks, that’s a shitty thing to do. That’s why where I live, it’s illegal to do it just for aesthetics.
Now, if you’re suggesting that the vast majority of circumcisions aren’t aesthetic, and are in fact a necessary preventative medical procedure. Well, firstly, we survived as a species for hundreds of thousands of years before we started doing it just fine. And secondly, you could just as easily make the argument that removing the testes is needed to prevent future cases of testicular cancer.
Oh wait, doctors do literally say and do this to Intersex babies, with literally no medical evidence to back up their claims. Then try to force a child that was born with external genitalia to grow up as a “girl” after cutting it off.
thats not the reason people do circumcision. most people do it for religious purposes. to argue that it is a human rights violation is to argue that people are not allowed to have a religion. religions such as Judaism circumcise because to show that they made a covenant with god. it is a huge important part of Judaism. you cant take away peoples religious beliefs if they arent being enforced on people who arent in that belief.
Forced genital mutilation on people that are unable to consent.
How do you feel about female genital mutilation?
while I think its harmful (it can cause severe inflammation leading to hospital visits) im not going to force others to conform to that belief
Religion doesn’t supercede bodily autonomy. Period.
Your rights to practice religion ends when it starts infringing on the rights of another person. You are not entitled to harming others for your own religious needs.
You can do whatever you want with your own body in the name of religion. Just do not mutilate your own child.
Imagine if a different religion warrants cutting off the nipples of newborns, or ripping off a nail, or skinning a toe. That is how barbaric you sound when you say ‘it’s fine to cut off the skin of my child’s penis’.
Are you aware the majority of Americans are not jewish but were subjected to genital mutilation after birth? It is not a religious thing here primarily, it’s a practice that was started by a prude named Kellog to explicitly make it more difficult to masturbate and because it is “cleaner,” which is a dubious claim at best.
yeah outside religion I don’t know why Kellogg did that. im talking about the type used for religious purposes.
To be clear, nobody is saying that circumcision is always a human rights violation. Only when it is done to a child who cannot consent. If an adult were to choose to get circumcised then that would be his right.
you cant take away peoples religious beliefs if they arent being enforced on people who arent in that belief.
This is exactly the problem. Children are typically circumcised shortly after birth. They are not part of any belief and cannot even speak, let alone consent to something as serious and irreversible as a circumcision. It is being forced on them.
People are allowed to have and practice their religion. They should not be allowed to force their beliefs on others, even their own kids.
If course this all ignores the fact that many circumcisions (in the US at least) are not performed for explicitly religious reasons.
But they can take away my foreskin without my consent? No, fuck that and fuck the religions that normalize the mutilation of children’s genitals. Wild that I even have to say that to you.
Okay, but why should it be acceptable to induct a child into a religion from the moment of birth, spend their formative years being taught a belief system that they have no ability to think critically about, while isolating them from alternative systems of belief? Why shouldn’t it be the norm to raise your children on the idea of all religious beliefs or lack thereof being equally valid and plausible, that we can’t prove one or another definitively true so it becomes a matter of “what do you chose to have blind faith in?”, and let them decide as an adult?
