I realize most people who would visit 196 certainly know this, but I still feel compelled to point out that anarchism is entirely incompatible with capitalism.
Then explain why the chad in this meme is on the side of the capitalism
You can’t, and your argument lays in shambles
Then I’m left with no choice but to depict myself as the gigachad
I was hoping to avoid such extreme measures
What is the 196 sub?
Shitposting community that is expressly LGBT+ affirming and trends leftist (see stickied posts, for example)
Why is the bad guy depicted as a Chad?
Good question lol. Maybe because the person who doesn’t look like a male stereotype is the reasonable person in this post?
Do we get a poem?
Although I’m just a cheap knockoff, here you go:
Festive nowadays
A day, tiny chad screeches
Beyond the sausage
Technically, anarchism is incompatible with communism, fascism, and socialism, as all of those require the state to exist in some way if undertaken at the national scale.
Anarcho-capitalism makes the most sense of them all. Just say you don’t want a state to exist at all because you want to suck some robber baron/warlord’s cock.
Which do you not understand: anarchism or communism? Communism is a stateless, classless society. It does not require a state, and it is perfectly compatible with anarchism. In fact, within any form of anarchism you’d find communism.
Anarchism is no state and no hierarchies. In any form, it seeks horizontality and mutual aid. It is absolutely unhinged to think that’s compatible in any way with capitalism.
Jfc the media has really succeeded in deluding people about what anarchism is, haven’t they? The surprising thing is I’d expect that on, say, Facebook or 4chan or Stormfront, but I thought 196 was more … leftist
I thought 196 was more … leftist
Unfortunately once there are more than a few votes a post will reach /all, making it visible on all instances, and with that come… the others… lol
Ancaps and tankies are everywhere these days. No good place for an old fashioned ancom anymore.
Then again, same as it ever was.
It’s because capitalism the pejorative is distinct from capitalism the naturalistic economic theory and a lot of people actively refuse to understand this. Unless your anarchist society is truly post-scarcity, you will end up with commerce and value proxies regardless of how much you wish otherwise. And even in a material post-scarcity society, there will still be scarcity in the form of things like artistic talent, companionship, etc. If you don’t want to call that capitalism, then you might as well just define capitalism as monsters under your bed.
There is no post-capitalist society besides the one focused on harm reduction. And then there is no utopia, no end goal, only an eternal struggle to combat the evils of where material scarcity and human greed intersect.
You misspelled utopia. Not sure what reality you’d expect humans to create a stateless and classless “communism” outside the hippie commune out in the woods.
The comment you replied to even said “at a national scale.” That’s the rub, isn’t it?
Communism requires someone to distribute goods and assign labor. That person is effectively going to be your state at essentially any scale above a family.
And if you want to live in a developed society, you need a state to defend against invasion and colonization, arrest murderers and rapists, and regulate trade (even if trade is only external).
Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society. In what way is that incompatible with anarchism, the ideology based on the elimination of heirarchy (the state)?
Modulo MLs defining state to mean “any method of organising a society” in which case not even anarchism is stateless because yes of course we’re doing that. The common politological understanding of state is more or less along those lines, too. I propose to not get anything in any twists over definitions.
Anything is only incompatible with anarchism insofar as it inflicts hierarchical power. Certain stuff at least some people call communism most certainly falls under that umbrella (though even Lenin admitted it was state capitalism), others are compatible or at least very close. Classical council communism certainly looks awfully like anarcho-syndicalism.
Tell me you know nothing about anarchism, communism, fascism, or socialism, without saying you know nothing about anarchism, communism, fascism, or socialism lol…
https://medium.com/international-workers-press/misconceptions-about-communism-2e366f1ef51f
A state, according to the average anarchist, is a society ruled by rulers who make decisions for you.
Resource distribution and factory management could absolutely be planned without a central planner under socialism/communism/whatever. Capitalism, on the other hand, needs bosses and police officers that protect the boss’s property. Fascism doesn’t require an explanation IMO.
Whoever is making the decisions about distribution and factory management is effectively a state at that point.
There’s also the fact that generally, people want to live in developed nations. You’ll need a military to keep your neighboring countries from taking all your stuff/people/land, and you’ll need some kind of police force to keep those few assholes you have internally from just kidnapping people or stealing everything that isn’t nailed down whatever.
Communism is defined as a stateless, classless, moneyless society.
Go ahead and explain how a stateless society requires the state to exist.
Stateless communism is fundamentally incompatible with the real world outside of small, isolated villages. To anyone in a developed country, it is like discussing the prime directive.
The only type of communism relevant to a developed country is the sort enforced by a state, because unless you want to be an agrarian villager, your society needs to exist at a provincial and national scale. You can’t have any kind of society that large without a central state.
Anarchism is incompatible with anarchism. It will exist until some group or some groups take power and finish anarchism
Power vacuum inevitable leads to people trying to fill this vacuum
That’s your opinion, and that’s all addressed by anarchist theory. It seems to me you’re just shooting from the hip and parroting anti-anarchist propaganda you’ve been fed all of your life.
Edit: Blocked because “anarchism is incompatible with anarchism” is some of the most utterly baffling pseudo-intellectual horseshit it’s been my displeasure to read. I need to wash my eyes after seeing those words on the screen.
Has any online leftist ever talked to an ancap? It’s not that they suppirt oppression outright, just that they don’t care if it doesn’t affect them. That’s why their ideology makes sense: they don’t consider that they’d be the proles, they’d be the capitalists.
Coincidentally, that’s why most authoritarians support their brand of oppression: in their specific genre, they’re the winners and the losers can go fuck themselves. And no, they don’t consider that they’re just paving the way to their ineviable overthrow
It’s not that they suppirt oppression outright, just that they don’t care if it doesn’t affect them
So they support oppression outright.
“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor”
(never mind that they openly support capitalism, and capitalism by design and necessity is oppressive, so either way, you’re not making the point you think you’re making, or worse, are being not even neutral in the face of "an"caps ambitions of oppression, but actively arguing in its defence)
ancaps are just libertarians that live with their parents and libertarians are just republicans that like weed
no they don’t. anarcho-capitalists are fascists. they don’t want the state gone they just want it minimal and out of the way so they can exploit whoever and whatever they want to build their own empire like a robber baron of ages ago. there is no place for capitalism in anarchy.
ancaps are not anarchists was my whole point bud. and no, the point of anarchy is not ‘do whatever you want even capitalism lol’. anarchy is recognizing that power over others breeds corruption and endeavouring to flatten hierarchies as much as feasibly possible to limit it. anarchy is ‘no ruler’ not ‘no rules lol wheeee’.
They think abortion should be restricted by private for-profit entities. If anything, that’s even worse.
They want to abolish the current state and install they’re own feudalist state where money is the only definng factor on of something can be done
No. They’re correct. AnCap is not an anarchic ideology and is just a form of re-branded neo-feudalism. There’s a lot of hand-waving and arguments that intentionally avoid following threads to their logical conclusion.
Capitalism is a mandatorily hierarchical system. It literally revolves around capitalists owning the means of production and leveraging it to extract as much value from workers’ labor as is possible to keep as profit. This makes it incompatible with any form of anarchism.
“AnCap” has nothing to do with anarchism and revolves around elimination of regulatory power, services, and social safety nets of the state, while preserving the state’s ability to use violence to coerce workers into falling in line. State services and social safety nets are then “replaced” by dependence on the goodwill of capitalists voluntarily providing for the less fortunate. The dynamic setup by this can logically only lead to increasingly disparate distribution of wealth and power, with capitalists becoming kings and workers becoming serfs, completely dependent upon their rulers because they have no ability to economically support themselves.
If they were consistent with their beliefs then yeah, but that’s a big if
I’m pretty sure they don’t exist because anarchy is incompatible with capitalism.
Depends on the ancap. Some are actually progressive capitalists, like the Democrats but on steroids. Others are just nazis that like to jerk off to loli hentai and playing video games, but don’t want the negative association with the authoritarian right, be it your grandpa conservatives or some caricature of nazis (read: a lot of people think nazi equals with people wanting to do evil things for the sake of evil).
Regarding the Chad as Anarcho-Capitalist convo: I think we maybe shouldn’t credit value to character archetypes rather than to logic and principles.
No one’s actually a complete Chad IRL. Some look the part. Some look the part and walk the walk some, but plenty are still true believers of white power. Some look the part but are really Gaston, or ready to go Joffrey at a moment’s notice.
Others of us don’t look Chad at all, and may look doomer, or sad girl (or whoever she is. Maybe Female Of The Species) and still have a point or legitimate grievance.
What others classify you as doesn’t make you or your feelings less valid. These archetypes are observer’s perspectives of instances. Moments. They’re not a complete picture of what is happening.
And being or becomming Chad (or Neitzsche’s ubermensch) is not in having perfect positions all the time, but being willing to err and learn from our mistakes. IRL, its a process, and even Christian nationalist Chad can learn, recover, and walk an enlightened path. Chad is a process. And 72% Chad is still pretty Chad.
