I’m done, I’ve been banned for expressing a different opinion (without insulting or personally attacking anyone), I’ve been accused of evading a ban with multiple accounts (this is my only account I’ve ever had on any lemmy instance), I’ve had people selectively ignore my comments and accuse me of things which I never said, and I’ve had people ignore valid criticisms and keep attacking me.

Reddit has many issues with trolls, one-sided discussion, and just general bullshit, but many Lemmy instances are way worse. The newfound freedom of Lemmy has attracted many extremists, from both sides, and many of them are moderators, who are more than happy to remove any contrarian opinions. This results in discussions being echo chambers

130 points

Lemmy (and reddit to a degree) is not like other social networks where you are lumped into one giant community. It’s many communities, and you’ll find that you are welcome in some and not welcome in others. That includes your politics and your views.

I don’t think I’d be very welcome in a community of conspiracy nuts, especially when I counter everything they say. I think they would remove me from that community at some point, and that’s okay, self policing of communities is okay. Sometimes you aren’t welcome.

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33 points

Yes and that’s what I like about Lemmy. Each community decides what it’s about and how it’s members behave. It’s not much different from communities in real life.

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-6 points

What if they block you but coin themselves “the last bastion of free speach.”

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11 points

I’m not sure what you’re getting at. This happens all the time and they’re just plain old hypocrites about it.

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3 points

Then you were most likely blocked from a far-right-wing instance. Take it as a badge of honor.

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-25 points

Do you believe in aliens?

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26 points

I do since I have watched those outstanding documentaries on history channel! Did you know that everything back in the past was either a landing spot or a battery? I mean, those brown people in the past clearly could not have chiseled those blocks, fucking barbaric tribespeople. They were ancient people and colored no less! It must have been aliens, right?

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Not OP but, I think if space is as big as we think it is outside the observable universe, it’s very likely that they exist. I think it’s not very likely that they’ve visited us.

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-9 points

Every known civilization seems to burn their home atmosphere well before they achieve inter-system travel.

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106 points

Is this an unpopular opinion? My block list on Lemmy is like 4 times bigger than it was on Reddit.

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34 points

More freedom means more spam and propaganda.

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12 points

I haven’t seen too many right wingers on lemmy. I think the lefties have managed to make it hostile enough to conservatives to deter the bulk of them

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26 points

My block list is extremely large too. It seems someone wants to make a community for everything no matter now niche it is. And so many random anime comms I have to block as I am not a anime fan. I get the message when browsing all “you have blocked all posts on page x” so often it’s become an annoyance.

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9 points

i have said this before, but don’t have the energy to do something about it: a problem in lemmy is, that there are no categories to subscribe or block. like if someone hates sports, he can’t block all sports, but must either subscribe everything but sports (impossible) or block/filter every new spots sub or sports post author (impossible as well)

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4 points

Lemmy is still in the alpha stage, but absolutely this would make a heck of a lot easier:-).

Otherwise it’s a continual issue - every month someone creates new communities that you have to first visit, then block, and then again, and again, and again.

It’s not that bad, but it could be better:-).

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8 points

I would love if my app would let me block a community from the post on all. I do it SO often.

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6 points

Voyager does, fwiw

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2 points

Connect has a block community and block instance feature, give it a shot!

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1 point

Lemmy 0.19.X allows that.

Lemmyworld will update in March (forgot the exact date)

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2 points

Once in a while I search for communities I might like and subscribe to them. I then only browse my subscribed communities, so I don’t have to block communities. I think of it as white listing my Lemmy feed.

Browsing all and then blocking communities I don’t like seems like black listing. It seems like it’s a lot more work.

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12 points

This, there’s some crazy people no matter where you go.

For example, yesterday some loon was attacking another poster because he viewed it as, anti-American. Suffice to say, it was not and he misconstrued what was said and he was humanly incapable of admitting wrongdoing. His response was to make burner accounts and downvote bomb the user.

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6 points

I prefer tagging people’s profiles, not sure if that’s just a sync feature though.

Still get to see their comments, but it has your tag for them next to their name so you can prepare yourself lol.

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5 points

Yeah, it’s pretty funny how extreme some people are. Of course in real life they don’t say shit.

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They probably do, but no one listens to the weird guy arguing with his reflection on the bus.

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2 points

It’s almost getting too long.

I’ve considered going the other way, and only browse “subscribed” - but then I would miss smaller/newer posts & communities… so I leave it on “all” and block away.

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And it grows every day. WHY can’t I just FUCKING BLOCK an instance yet! I guess shitjustworks doesn’t fucking work.

Edit: there is nothing worth seeing on blahaj.zone, ani.social, or hexbear. Period. Who will rid me of these meddlesome instances.

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I mean, I like anime so ani.social is nice for me. There are some interesting discussion posts and memes I enjoy seeing from there. But the other two I have often found the users to be difficult to converse with, so I have them both blocked. Its unfortunate that blocking instances isn’t easier (I use Connect for Lemmy on Android, which supports blocking instances), but such is the price to pay for Lemmys very rapid expansion in such a short amount of time. Lemmy wasn’t ready for that kind of growth, and it has the growing pains to prove it. The experience will be somewhat poor for early adopters, but the newcomers will have it a bit better probably.

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There was a post recently from your admin stating they would be updating soon.

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Instance blocking is very nice, it was introduced in 0.19

SJW and LW are supposed to update soon, looking forward to it

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Hold up… If this is your one and only Lemmy account, and it’s banned… How are you making this post?

According to the modlogs: the only action ever taken against you by a mod or admin was having a single post removed. I don’t agree with the reason that it broke rule 1 though… I don’t agree with what you said because it’s misinformed, but what you said was not racist.

So you’re lying either about not having other accounts and evading a ban, or about how you’ve been banned or how often you’ve had content removed.

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Modlog is weird. There is a possibility he’s been banned from an instance and that’s what he meant.

When I was banned from StarTrek.Website I had no idea. It didn’t show in Lemmy.world logs, only ST.W ones

Edit: Yep. He was banned from lemmy.ml. Funny enough, that should actually improve his lemmy experience.

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15 points

Banned from Lemmygrad Lite? What a terrible loss!

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I couldn’t agree more (Also, for formality: I dislike you)

Anyway, this wrong loser is right: If you’re not going to vibe with the place, it’s not a big deal if you’re not welcomed. The beauty of the fediverse is that the admin of blahaj, who is quite open about their zero tolerance of nontolerance policy, does not have the capability to ban you from lemmy.

Like, if you were dating a chick who you weren’t compatible with, why the hell would you want to stick around? Accept the incompatibility and move on.

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10 points

As a leftist I absolutely concur with your assessment. The only time I go to .ML is on accident. And I’m usually down voted. Though I do get a good chuckle on the off instance I’m not.

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Same experience here. Leftist who has studied political science and economics. I have very gently corrected some of the century-old, outdated leftist dogma on .ml and get nothing but bans for it.

They have pretty much been completely hijacked by right wing trolls, and it’s frankly incredible that the few remaining actual leftists can’t see it.

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8 points

Seems like a pretty objective open minded comment to me, I wonder what they replied to.

I looked up rule 1 if lemmy.ml: No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.

The code of conduct is that of Lemmy org, I never read it till now and I’m very disappointed by the next part: “Remarks that moderators find inappropriate, whether listed in the code of conduct or not, are also not allowed.”. Basically total mod discretion, so by extension, “rule 1” of lemmy.ml also boils down to total mod discretion.

According to the code of conduct, there’s also supposed to be first warnings, temporary bans and the chance for repeals according to the code of conduct. Which does sound nice, but I wonder if it’s also done in practice in some Lemmy communities. It seems pretty hard to provide a system for this that is not based on happenstance. Does anyone have experience with this?

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Lemmy.world has defederated from Lemmy.ml but even before I moved over here, I had been avoiding them on my old instance. Why? They were removing posts with no notification and had banned me with no notification or warning. What was the post? A Jimmy Neutron meme. “This is my first gay character!” “Disney, this is your 14th first gay character”. My title said something like “It’s always the first in China when they’re removed before airing”. What was the reason? Rule 1 of the site as a whole. I talked with another very heavy poster and he had stuff removed as well with no warning. Also had a dicey conversation with an admin. Just gave up and started avoiding it. I don’t think I ever got permanently banned from there (although I did from Hexbear for ‘perjery’) but if I did I wouldn’t have cared much.

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44 points

Here are some small pieces of advice for you, and anyone else who is interested:

That’s it. 90% of toxicity is no more.

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12 points

You have a strange definition of fascism. I’ve poked around in those instances to see what the fuss is about. They’re super far left and very much ideologically opposed to fascism. They’re something weird, but they’re definitely not fascists.

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31 points

They idolize left authoritarians. And their talking points are summed up by if “the west” says it, the opposite is true. And they will argue with you.

So fascism is a term that is thrown around incorrectly a lot, blocking these people does help improve your Lemmy experience.

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3 points

Based on my observations, some of them support present and past left-authoritarians, but most don’t. They’re definitely critical of the west, but I think there’s room for that criticism here.

It’s kind of funny when they post about Ukraine. They’re anti-NATO and anti-Putin, so they sometimes seem confused which side they’re on.

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20 points

They support Russia and the CCP, both of which have the warning signs of Fascism. Even if you want to call it something else, doesn’t change that it’s terrible.

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6 points

Fascists believe in inequality based on identity. And most on lemmygrad agree that Russia is a far right regime.

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Yikes, seems like the American right wing is fascist too. What’s bizarre about all of this is that the tankies are very much opposed to the American right too. So they’re anti-fascist? It seems that they’re so opposed to western capital that they’ll cheer for some really shitty governments because they’re also fighting western capital.

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They aren’t left in any meaningful way. Let alone far left. What they are is wildly hypocritical and authoritarian. While they are technically not fascists. Realistically they’re nearly identical. They are both both authoritarian ideologies. With no room for any meaningful right or left. And should you dissent you will find yourself silenced or killed just the same as any other authoritarian/fascist government structure.

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No, that’s not really correct. They’re pro-democracy since true communism requires democracy. They believe western governments have been captured by capitalists and therefore need to be opposed. That’s why they tend to cheer for authoritarian regimes because they’re fighting what they consider to be the good fight. They believe that once western capitalism has been defeated, communism can finally flourish, since the only reason communist governments are authoritarian is to protect themselves from the west.

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7 points

Found the fascist! /s

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^I’m ^just ^referencing ^the ^movie ^and ^being ^silly, ^not ^actually ^calling ^you ^a ^hag ^lol

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They’re super far left and very much ideologically opposed to fascism.

They deleted a comment in which I quoted the first line of the Wikipedia article on social democracy. The reason given was “misinformation”.

Fascism is characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, forcible suppression of opposition.

I can very much see how that would apply.

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11 points

Isnt that just authoritarianism, not specifically facism?

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I would argue that fascism is indeed characterized by those things, but fascism is associated with the right, not the left. You’re not a fascist if your trying to create equality for all, even if your actions are crazy. It’s something else, but not facism.

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Yeah it’s actually refreshing to see their pov on things, don’t always agree but they bring up good points

hexbear in particular is very supportive of marginalized groups and positive in general. I’m glad lemm.ee didn’t defederate with the ml boogeymen

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8 points

I put up with hexbear for awhile, but I ended up blocking them eventually.

Sure, they don’t mind explaining their points if you’re careful about asking. But god forbid you express disagreement. If you aren’t with them completely, you’re a fascist.

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If you disagree with American imperialism constantly overthrowing every government in existence, and israel doing Genocide, you are a Fascist!

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Here’s the thing, if you disagree with American imperialism but you’re actively cheering on Russian imperialism, you’re a hypocrite.

It’s fine to be polarized against the actions of the American government. There are quite a lot of people who are, even within the states. It’s fine to be polarized against the west. Being at least wary of the west permeates pretty much everywhere in the east.

It’s not fine to call out imperialism from the west with one side of your mouth and praise imperialism from the east with the other side. And brother, I haven’t met someone on the tankie communities that doesn’t get a hard on simping for the Russian war.

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I don’t block any of them. In fact that’s what I like about lemmy. This instance would definitely have been banned at Reddit. In fact, I want to see different opinions. I like to read how people of different opinions think. The only thing that I wish I wouldnt see are those very annoying meme/pics (comments) at hexbear.

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Half of those are communists lol they’re literally on the opposite end of the spectrum from fascists

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1 point

Basically. After omitting that user base things are much better, if still healthily combative.

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This is part of the problem. People believing you but you are just calling peoples opinions you disagree with fascist lol. Most of these communities are communist afaik

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10 points

Most of these communities call themselves communists, but fall are so knee deep in logic fallacies, you spend more time picking their arguments apart then having a conversation. I gave up on lemmy.ml, because it was only a matter of time before I got banned anyway. Way too many people are basically “west/America bad, ergo Russia/CCP good.”

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27 points

There is one MAJOR difference: here you can make not only your own sub/community, where you can be your own mod, but you can spin up your own whole entire instance, and become your own admin. Oh Reddit, you serve The Man (spez) or you can GTFO - so we did the latter:-P (some perhaps due to being kicked out of their former mod role bc of the protests) - but here, nobody can tell us what to do, in the end.

Ofc there are limits even there, like someone can defederate from you if you refuse to control yourself, even unintentionally like if you don’t follow basic security and constantly get hacked.

It’s like being able to own your own home. When you visit a community on someone else’s instance, you are their GUEST, and you have to follow THEIR rules. The homeowner owns the community while the mayor or governor or President or Prime Minister or whatever controls the entire city / state / country or in this case “instance”. Right or wrong, it’s THEIRS, so your options are limited - you don’t get to just walk into someone else’s HOME and tell them what to do!?

But here, unlike Reddit, on your own personal computer (desktop machine even, doesn’t need a whole “server”) you can make your own place. From there, you could invite others… or not, as you choose. Inside your own home, unless you do something that may cause the police (like FBI) to come knocking, you control yourself, and also you have the responsibility and right to kick off anyone you choose who refuses to play by the rules that YOU set forth.

So do whatever you want. Ofc others have the same freedom too.

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