President Joe Biden promised Black voters Wednesday that he would appoint progressives to the US Supreme Court if elected to a second term, suggesting he expects vacancies on the high court over the next four years.

“The next president, they’re going to be able to appoint a couple justices, and I’ll be damned — if in fact we’re able to change some of the justices when they retire and put in really progressive judges like we’ve always had, tell me that won’t change your life,” he said during a campaign rally in Philadelphia.

It was as explicit a warning as Biden could offer about the stakes of the upcoming election, and a clear reminder that some of the nine justices have entered their seventies.

Clarence Thomas is 75 and Samuel Alito is 74; both are conservative and appointed by Republican presidents. Sonia Sotomayor, a liberal who was nominated by President Barack Obama, turns 70 next month.

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Biden’s going to need everyone’s help. Turn the Senate and the House super Blue. Even if you hate Biden because of Israeli support, vote for your Rep and Senator that can deal with this corruption. Add to the bench until the traitors Thomas and Alito become irrelevant. Revise the number of Senate and House seats.

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Even if you hate Biden because of Israeli support,

Trump said that “he (Trump) fully support’s Israel’s Gaza genocide.”

Anything Biden can do, Trump can (and would) do worse.

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Anything you can do, I can do better. I can do anything better than you.

Biden: I can support Israel’s killing of people in Gaza Trump: I will deport anyone that supports Palestine

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Having been around awhile, it’s so weird that people are trying to make the case that a republican presidency could be a good thing for… just about any country in the middle east. Not saying that any party is going to spend much time on it, but it’s just a weird stretch.

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Because people are that fucking gullible.

It’s irrelevant what’s happened or is happening unless it comes from timtok/Facebook/lemmy/reddit post.

Not voting for Biden is exactly what they want to achieve and people who haven’t read past titles are their target.

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Nobody thinks Trump will be good for the Middle East. They are just trying to pressure Biden to actually change his policy. The idea is he’ll change course if he sees it’s not popular and could threaten his election. I say publically it’ll make a difference because I don’t want Biden to support a genocide and it’s the only tool I have, but I doubt it will. I’m sure they’re all like me and live in a blue state, which means we’re useless for the electoral college. He needs to try to get purple states.

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The craziest thing to me are those further leftists threatening to abandon Biden and let Trump walk in.

I mean, they can complain and oppose the democrats all they want but they should also never ever forget that today’s GOP is just the latest incarnation of the leftist’s longtime fascist enemy. Keeping them from power is and always has been a top priority.

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Right? it’s like saying “I wanted chicken, not beef, but all we have is chicken… So I’m just gonna eat the pellets in the Rat Poison bottle instead!”

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I think that the majority of those are either accelerationists and/or state/political actors. Accelerationists soundly believe that the ends justify the means and think, despite a clear lack of solid evidence (and contrary evidence ex. Spain), that making things worse will force people to act to make things better. Mass repression and genocide of LGBTQ+ and POC are acceptable losses to reach Utopia… despite that literally never being the outcome at any point in recorded human history.

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I hate that this sounds so dumb but we now live in a world where the truth sounds stupid

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Again, a vote for a giant douche or a turd sandwich.

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People keep claiming this, but never actually specify how Trump could possibly be worse than full-on support for genocide. Biden is 100% for the genocide, he has proved this and has put zero restrictions or conditions on Israel’s far-right regime.

What we’re seeing in Gaza under Biden will be the exact same thing we see under Trump.

This is not the argument neolibs want to be making at this time.

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Yeah why would people just assume it will be worse with Muslim ban Donald who says “finish the job” and “deport the protesters?” Silly geese.

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Even if you hate Biden because of Israeli support

i.e. don’t be a single-issue voter.

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You were a believable Trump supporter until your list, too many big words lol

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You forgot rapist bro

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I’m a single issue voter and my single issue is proportional representation - I’ll be voting for Biden but if a major party candidate did genuinely advocate for voting reform they’d probably have me.

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I hate most of the Democratic party. I fear the Republican party. So yeah I’ll be holding my nose and voting D.

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That would be a decent protest. Have all the frustrated D voters wear a clothespin on their nose when they go to vote for the lesser evil.

Could actually get more people off the couch. Frustrated progressive voters would want to increase the ratio of “nose plug voters” to more effectively send their message to Biden while also helping kick out the Republicans.

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I really like this idea! If enough people did it the media would absolutely pick up on it and amplify it.

Of course that does put people in red states in danger as they’re announcing to everyone who can see them who they’re voting for. :(

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Make it happen Samurai

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I’ll be counting on you as a Canadian :)

It’s easy to fall into a defeatist attitude with how fucked up everything is, but change starts with a belief that things can be changed.

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Things can always be changed.

On the other hand, challenging worse hasn’t gone well lately…

Spoken as a defeated Canadian who watched any hope of home ownership evaporate in the last 4 years.

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same

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I just want the GOP to get absolutely pummeled for once so we can move the overton window back in the right direction. No I don’t like the dems. Yes I will vote for them every time as they represent the closest to what I want.

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Not going to happen while they’re still taking AIPAC money, that shit is toxic to actual turn-out for Dems at this point.

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Voting dem still moves the overton window right. “Vote blue no matter who” rewards them time after time for sprinting right chasing voters that were never going to vote for him while becoming too right even for centrists

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Hijacking this comment thread to promote Ranked Choice Voting.

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And theres only one party that has outlawed RCV in certain areas. We aren’t getting RCV without 2 things:

-Primary moderates and elect progressive Democrats at every level we can -A Democratic supermajority in Congress

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Not sure what you mean by outlaw, but there are definitely democratic politicians who have shot down RCV on their ballots.

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BillyWitchDoctor.com more comfortable… with chicken

ARISE! ARISE CHICKEN!

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RCV, Approval, and STAR my beloved

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STAR, score, or approval! Not sure why people are obsessed with ranked, they must love curing ballots and being prevented from tallying districts individually?

100% would rather have ranked over FPTP, just to be clear. FPTP is toxic garbage.

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Boo RCV - we should just go parliamentary and stop direct election of the executive branch!

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We’d need a constitutional convention. Or the largest amendment we’ve ever had. RCV can be done simply by the states.

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Because that’s been going so great for the UK…

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People need to remember that Biden merely supports Israel, Trump would have nuked Palestine off the face of the Earth by now.

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Biden should be scared of losing his job or he has no incentive to do what the people want.

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You have a list of senators and house reps that will keep Biden and potentially Trump in check?

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_Congressional_Progressive_Caucus

In terms of which progressive candidates are running to beat incumbents that varies from state to state.

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Any progressive incumbents we should definitely not vote for?

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Actually progressive or “biden is the most progressive president in recent US history” progressive? I’ll take either over the alternative, but I’d love it if it was more than former than the latter.

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If he promises to let Bernie Sanders pick them then I bet he’d gain whole percentage points in polls.

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Can Bernie be president on Wednesdays and Thursdays?

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he has pickle ball on Thursdays

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Cmon, you know it’s the latter.

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Still a lot better than anything Trump would come up with.

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They’d absolutely still be massive corporatists who think freedom dies if Americans can actually afford any of their basic needs.

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I’ll take anyone who isn’t a corporate careerist at this point. The people sitting on the supreme court shouldn’t be expecting to leverage it to make an exhorbitant amount of money.

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At least he’s talking about the views of a justice he might pick, rather than what race and sex they’re going to be as though that’s the most important criteria.

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Yes, but he’s also shown himself willing to say anything to get support and votes. He had a lot of big progressive talk during his campaign when he was against Sanders, but then dropped that facade pretty much within the first few months and started giving out corporate handjobs.

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Actually progressive or “biden is the most progressive president in recent US history” progressive?

He’s going to appoint Merrick Garland again.

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I read this in the voice of the alien from omicron persei 8 on Futurama

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Put some respect on LUR RULER OF THE PLANET OMICRON PERSEI 8’s name

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It’s actually Lrrrr and his lovely wife Ndnd

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The fact that Alito lives in a suburb near some random out of work actress and the worst his wife has experienced is unpleasant signs shows we are the most peaceful human beings as citizens regarding their politicians.

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we are the most peaceful human beings as citizens regarding their politicians

And yet we have some of the most sadistically violent police. Curious.

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“Just as soon as the court decides that the President is immune from prosecution, I expect there will be six vacancies soon after.” wink

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TBH, I think that’s an excellent threat to get them off their asses on the Trump decision pending. Even if he doesn’t mean to kill them, it would be a no-brainer for congress to impeach them given the lack of republican party cohesion over Trump candidacy.

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He should pull an FDR and try to get the court expanded to 12.

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11 or 13. You don’t do even numbers on the SC so there aren’t voting ties.

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13 makes the most sense. There are 13 circuits, why not 13 Supreme Court justices?

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…and the district judges themselves elect/appoint their representatives to SCotUS. Get political appointees out of the top bench, I’ll take an unelected meritocracy over cronyism and patronage any day.

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I…huh. Never thought of this tbh.

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Yeah agreed. I never quite understood FDRs thinking on putting an even number of people in the court. We have so many 5-4 decisions now an even court would be chaos.

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Force a definitive decision, instead of precedent that keeps getting overturned?

Tennis woks kinda like that.

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Can’t they recuse or abstain from voting though?

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They can, but as we can see from Thomas and Alito, they don’t.

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Yes. But that rarely happens (usually just because of health issues). There are very few decisions that have been made where all the members didn’t weigh in. When even votes have happened the lower court ruling will stand as is. Which is particularly bad when you have places like the 5th circuit trying their best to fascism.

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12 with ties being decided by a season of survivor.

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13 is a better number, it matches the number of Federal Appelate Courts.

If Democrats manage to take both houses of Congress and the Presidency, I would advocate for immediately passing a law to increase the size of the SC to 13, effective for the start of the SC’s 2026 term.

Then, Democrats and Republicans should go to work to enact a Constitutional Amendment for term limits on the SC. Republicans would finally have incentive to do it quickly, or else Biden would name 4 young Liberals to the SC who will be there 40+ years without term limits.

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also 13 original colonies… 13 stripes on the flag.

some magahead: so that means 1.2…3…4…7 republicans… and 1…2…6 confederates?

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Hey, some of us smart people can’t do that basic math either 😭
(In my case, calculus and ADHD combined powers to make me useless with actual numbers, real and imaginary, lol)

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I think a better solution should tie SC seats to the number of federal district courts. That way, should the number grow in the future, SC seats will be added automatically

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Yes, that is better, but would require a Constitutional Amendment to formalize, otherwise a future Congress can just change it. Which is why you start with expansion, then force the Republicans to the table to discuss the amendment under a time limit.

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If I’m not mistaken, Biden could add seats if he wanted to, so could any president. I think no one wants to do it because then the other party would add more as well.

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The size of the SC is set through legislation, so a law would need to pass Congress, and the President would need to sign it. So one party can’t do it unilaterally unless they control both houses of Congress and the Presidency.

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I wish he would. The only thing stopping him, ironically, is his fear of appearing partisan (and angering “moderate” republicans, if they even exist anymore), despite the fact that that’s exactly what this would be attempting to remedy.

I’d love to be wrong, but he’ll never do it. He’s barely even willing to talk about the supreme court’s corruption and blatant bias. I think he’s allergic to that much institutional change.

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He called Trump semi-fascist in 2022 and backed off since. Biden does not push the limits of any power he wields.

You’ll note there has been an endless amount of arguments about Biden’s limitations to his ability and power to effect change, but never that he is pushed up against those limits.

Biden was most popular when he was fighting for Green New Deal and BBB. But his inability to whip his party into voting for the platform the Democratic party ran on was disappointing and he has never recovered.

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He also implied he would be a one-term president and turn the reins over to someone younger. I’m so fucking sick of old, white men!

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He won’t. Biden would have done it already.

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