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That’s a problem with unchecked capitalism, not AI. Remember how George Jetson was able to have a house in the sky, a suitcase spaceship, full home automation, a robot maid, and supported his whole family by pushing a button? Consider how many people lived and worked on the ground beneath the cloud cover to make that possible.

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Remember how he also only worked 3 days a week, and had job security even though he was fired every episode?

George Jetson had a very good union.

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The Jetsons were the 1% and the Flintstones were the rest.

They were the Elysium space station people

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There were no people down there. It was just a flooded planet

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They had an episode on the ground I thought.

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What we thought was the ground, could perfectly be a bigger platform for the buildings

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Capitalism cannot ever be sufficiently checked while remaining Capitalism. Wage Labor and Capital does a good job of explaining why.

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Yes. As an aside, the post title reminds me of LinkedIn clickbait. Agree?

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Agree. Like. Thumbs up.

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likensubscribe

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dontforgettoringthatbell

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I agree. Thoughts?

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I’m seeing a lot of AI apologists in here. I want the leisure time required to create art, instead of being fucking burned out from working multiple jobs and spending all my available free time doing chores. Fuck AI, fuck the uncompensated artists and illegitimate theft of those works used to train the AI, and fuck you for normalizing it.

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Let me make it clear first. Generative AI is not art. Prompt engineering is not a real job.

AI is just a tool. It is still waiting for an artist to use it to create art, just as a Photography or Photoshop image is not an art by itself.

But… training with images is the same as humans learning how to draw, though… I know it’s boring but what you said is boring too. We could fall back to the same conversation over and over because you start with the same conversation again and again.

FUCK AI, and also FUCK PEOPLE AGAINST AI, Good thing I hate everyone!

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I mostly agree with this. I’m coming to think that in the future defining the word “art” for the context of a discussion would avoid a lot of the back and forth I’m seeing here and help these discussions be more productive.

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FUCK AI, and also FUCK PEOPLE AGAINST AI, Good thing I hate everyone!

That sounds more like self-loathing.

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“Prompt engineer” is on a lower level than “tarot fortune teller” for me. As a fortune teller, you are required to have people skills, as a prompt engineer, you just have to be an opportunistic dork.

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A prompt engineer is nowhere near a tarot card user. Tarot cards do not contribute to a gigantic machine that eats job opportunities and spits out misinfo.

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You cannot be an apologist unless there is a credible accusation to defend against.

Disagreeing with people that cannot coherently decide why they are upset is a good thing.

As for your comment, I agree that using art to train AI and then selling the result is a problem. Our legal framework needs to catch up on that. Personally, I do not see why it would not be copyright violation. That is clearly what it would be if a human did the exact same thing. A tool directed by a human does not seem so different from that. In my reading of copyright law, this misuse of AI may already be illegal.

We just need a few court cases to sort that out.

“I want the leisure time required to create art, instead of being fucking burned out from working multiple jobs and spending all my available free time doing chores.”

So, fair enough. Does this have anything whatsoever to do with AI? It really waters down your other point ( addressed above ).

If you are trying to agree with the OP concerning “laundry and dishes”, please think about your position. Those are two of the best examples for how technology has reduced time spent and effort expended on menial chores. I struggle to think of better ones. They also seem like prime candidates to be improved by adding AI to our existing mechanical devices.

What could the actual complaint be here? At worst, you can assume that AI will not help you with laundry and dishes. Any less extreme position will be that it probably will. The same can be said for any other menial task I can think of in my day-to-day life.

Sorry to be a rationality apologist but I am not going to line-up against totally misdirected outrage. Being mad does not make you right.

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Well said.

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AI apologists

Im not an “AI apologist” because theres nothing to apologise for.

Much like im not an “automatic loom apologist” or a “steam engine apologist”

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Apologist comes from the greek word “apologia”, which means “speech in defense.” Apologetics isn’t apologizing, it’s defending.

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Huh, well TIL

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I want to be able to create all the things Ive dreamed of creating my.whole life without spending 4-8 years in fucking art school, saddling myself in debt for a skill that was virtually impossible to make a living off of. and that was BEFORE ai. AI has enabled me to create things that would have been fucking.impossible for me to.create on my own and and absurdly.expensive to have commissioned. Its allowed me to create things that would be literally.impossible without it.

I had ideas. I just couldn’t afford to make it real. With ai I’ve been able to.

I never would have paid an artist to do what I’ve been able to done for myself. Even if I could have afforded it.

Ai may commodotize creativity but it democratizes art.

Jeans Pierre can still build a lifesized model.of Donald trump.out of tampons and I get an to cover my walls with viking chicks with huge fits that look like they’re painted by van Gogh, and oil paintings of my face instead of whoever the model.was on history’s greatest works.of art.

If you’re an artist pissed off about ai taking your money: you probably wouldn’t have made much anyway. Being an artist was always a reckless gamble.

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So your argument is that putting in effort and investing money for a skill is ‘virtually impossible’ and that artists shouldn’t complain because they ‘probably wouldn’t have made much anyway’?

Following your logic generative AI would never come to exist, because there wouldn’t even be anything created for an AI to learn from.

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Uh. No. You can tell because of how my post is.

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If you weren’t creating before “AI”, you’re not creating after.

It’s like hiring a person to do art for you, but instead you took all their shit and used a machine to make a soup out of it.

Get fcked.

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So i had an idea for a thing. This thing did not exist. Parts of it may existed in some fashion, but the thing itself did not.

Now the thing exists. It hangs on my wall.

We may have different definitions of the term creation in mind here. Can you suggest a better word to use for using my input to make a thing that did not exist before? I can use that going forward.

And yes. Ai combines things that other people have made before into something else. Usually the Mona Lisa does not have my face. Then I spent around and hour in stable diffusion and maybe two hours in gimp. Now the Mona Lisa has my face. I would call this new, as the Mona Lisa, to my knowledge, has never before had my face on it. Let alone looked like my face belonged on it.

I’m making an assumption here, and feel free to correct me if its incorrect, but I’m guessing that you feel its okay when a person blends artistic styles into something that is distinctly their own.

If this assumption is true: why is it legitimate when a person does it and not a machine? Or is it?

And another question: if the issue is with artists being compensated (maybe another assumption here, in apologize if I’m off base): would you support legislation to the effect that those that inspired or influenced another artist’s work receive recompense for it?

Second to last question: if an ai is trained solely on works in the public domain do you still have an issue with it?

Final question: if existing artists styles can be replicated using a genealogy of sorts using only those public domain works, and they’re combined in a manner that no one has thought to combine them: are there issues you have with that? What are they?

Honestly trying to get a better understanding of where the borders of right and wrong here for you are so I can better understand your position.

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That’s sarcasm, right?
You do have more than 2 braincells, right? I hope.

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Don’t be so bitter dude. Go out and be the change you want to see.

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What does the even mean? Like what are you even trying to say?

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Fuck AI

be the change you want to see

Obviously this means AI sex dolls.

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capitalism is the reason why AI is doing art

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Calling AI generated pictures “art” is insulting to most artists. I agree though, all this hype is driven by short-sighted capitalism

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It’s good enough that people won’t hire artists to do their art. Are you a corporate suit who needs mock ups of a certain idea or product? Have an unpaid intern spend 5 hours prompting Sora AI to produce hundreds of, and sort down to 5, images that you can use on your post-golf lunch meeting tomorrow afternoon

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and you somehow don’t think having slaves/unpaid interns in your story is the real problem?!

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Similar to the discussion on forgery being art or not? (for example)

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If it’s not art then what are artists afraid of?

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You seriously think people wouldn’t do for free what others require pay for under any other socio-economic society?

Oh, right…. Capitalism is to be blamed for…. Everthing ever.

Don’t get me wrong. Capitalism sucks, but let’s not dilute the water.

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Capitalism is the reason why AI doing art is a problem.

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I like washing my dishes and do the laundry (but not washing clothes by hand, that we left for good). I feel like some manual labor each day leaves a breathing room for my mind when I don’t scroll or consume content or work with my mind exhausted and occupied. It reminds me of how Don Carleone liked his garden work in the book. Just a simple labor with evident results.

The problem here that I see is that people who are the most influential and interested in these AIs most, like Muskie or Altman, never did their dishes or clothes, so this labor doesn’t exist for them. Their impotency to feel, to create art, to write, to make jokes is what makes them create an AI for these tasks and since they can’t tell good from bad there, they are happy with them. We don’t have a soulless AI, we have an AI created for these soul-lacking suits who’ve never done their dishes or joked at themselves.

That’s not an informed opinion, just a funny thought I had from this post <3

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Keep talking like that and they’re going to take your asshole certificate away.

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They can try.

I have an unused piece of land where I wish to grow cucumbers next spring and try fertilization with billionaires to compare it to other plots.

I think they’d give me other worthy naming ideas as their legs get sucked up in the grinder.

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I like washing my dishes and do the laundry (but not washing clothes by hand, that we left for good). I feel like some manual labor each day leaves a breathing room for my mind when I don’t scroll or consume content or work with my mind exhausted and occupied. It reminds me of how Don Carleone liked his garden work in the book. Just a simple labor with evident results.

I think the point is that folks of a certain age have seen time and again how instead of tech advances “making our lives easier” they are instead used to increase expectations of “productivity”. Here, the path we’re on doesn’t lead to more time to create art (or to choose what “simple labor” you might find fulfilling as a hobby), it leads to expectations to produce more for the 1% with the same amount of time we had before, or excuses about how an overworked department doesn’t need to be expanded since there’s AI now, or etc etc.

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