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I find that title to be wholly innaccurate.

There were also women on the force, so it was 376 boys and girls in blue sat around and let 19 kids and 2 teachers die.

Well, 375. There was that one asshole who shouted “Do you need our help?” to which a hiding child responded “Yes we need help!” and was subsequently shot by the gunman

That person actively caused a child to die.

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Don’t forget the one cop that wanted to help but was held back and prevented from entering (I think his wife was a teacher or something)

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Oh, and that other cop who was going to try to open the unlocked classroom door but was then told to go patrol the rest of the school

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The only reason they even started evacuating was because one of them opened a classroom and saw it was full

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A: Marvel saw fit to publish a comic book in which Frank Castle tells cops to stop using his logo. B: now that the guy with a Punisher lock screen has experienced loss, he may step up his war-on-crime game.

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4 points

Ah yeah, that guy.

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4 points

You couldn’t have picked a worse, cop apologist article to quote from.

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LOL that always cracks me up.

  1. The punisher was a vigilante. He’s not a caricature someone charged with enforcing the law should look up to, but telling that they do.

  2. The Punisher regularly killed corrupt cops.

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7 points

He should’ve disobeyed orders and gone in and saved them.

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Before anyone says that it’s easy to say they would have done while behind a keyboard, cops were preventing bystanders from going in to recuse the kids.

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37 points

Their pronouns are cop/cops (or pig/pigs), so their gender should be irrelevant in this case.

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21 points

“do you need help?”

“Nah we’re good, call back next week maybe”

What kind of idiotic ass fucking question was that?

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11 points

Also that one guy was busy drinking water from the fountain

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boys and girls in blue

How about we clarify that as: little boys and little girls in blue.

Altho TBF, women in blue are typically at the bottom of the chain, and almost certainly deserve the least amount of critique here, whilst the highest ranking dudes unquestionably deserve all the shit in the world for directly ordering their forces not to make any meaningful attempt.

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And it was a civilian woman who ran in and got her kid. She would’ve died trying, if unsuccessful. More balls than any of the male officers. They should make her a statue.

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Right on.

Now this is just personal anecdote-- but one thing I’ve always been pretty surprised by (as a person with fairly severe health issues, haha not sure how that totally influences thigns) is how, when there’s a local emergency, the adrenaline just hits me and I spring in to action (as much as I can) to help out.

Par example, three times now I’ve survived bad fires that way, and after comparing notes with an old friend over Uvalde, I was pleasantly surprised to discover that both of us felt the same way-- that we wouldn’t have been able to look ourselves in the mirror if we hadn’t made our best attempt to save the kids.

Seriously, how do these BLUE people look at themselves in the mirror for either not doing their best that day, or on a national scale, for enabling this awful betrayal of public trust?

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It’s referencing parents who wanted to go in themselves to save their own children. I can’t imagine how horrifying it must b to be stopped by police. Police are the worst

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Missing in the picture: a second track with no one tied on it.

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14 points

That switch stops trolley

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136 points

376 armed cowards keeping a bunch of parents from rescuing their kids… and what changed? nuthin.

so gross

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Nothing changed because Uvalde immediately re-elected the same republiQan slate that put them there. After that tragedy. There should be no more question that it’s a cult.

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Uvalde immediately re-elected the same republiQan slate that put them there

Sadly, the kids weren’t allowed to vote. Mature enough to get shot at. Not mature enough to select the police who stand idle while it happens.

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12 points

Not yet, so the clock is ticking for Republicans to make government of the people, for the people, by the people perish from the earth.

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18 points

If it helped, they then tried to sue/harass the families after being called out.

Wait that didn’t actually help at all

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125 points

Here in Denmark a crazed man attacked the Fields shopping center with a couple of hunting rifles. The first time something like this happened in a very long time.

Danish armed police had a quick response time. Loads of dudes with in full body armour and MP-5s guarding every main exit while other guys went inside to clear out the civilians and hunt the shooter down.

The sniper equipped helicopter circling the shopping center spotted the shooter coming out of a service door and he subsequently got caught.

I think in total only 5 people died, which was from the short period when the guy started shooting.

All the right wing gun addicts from America were chest thumping and table banging, shouting all over social media that this somehow was an example that gun laws don’t work. However, considering this happened within a short period after the school shooting in America, all it truly did was make American police look like a bad joke.

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As much as ACAB, I can admit that sometimes an armed response is necessary. It sounds like you danes have a well trained force, rather than some 6 week academy psychos with a hard-on for violence.

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Cops aren’t really bastards in Denmark. Oh sure, you’ll find anti establishment types everywhere; there certainly is no love for the police in Christiania. However, the overall opinion of Danish citizens towards the police is positive. In Denmark people genuinely feel safer seeing a policeman on the street.

Police in Copenhagen are also friendly; unless they’re in the middle of something, you can, as a citizen or a tourist, walk up to one and ask them questions.

Police do carry pistols in Denmark, but someone just starting their career in law enforcement isn’t immediately given a gun until they’ve had a good job record and proper training for a few years. The amount of paperwork a cop has to go through for even suggesting they’ll pull their gun is staggering.

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It isn’t any more complicated than that ACAB is an obvious US-centric exaggeration and that there are police forces out there that doesn’t suffer from the same systemic problems that according* to American media is pandemic in their country.

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ACAB is an obvious US-centric exaggeration

Started by working class British punks no less!

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Romania, the country that’s not even shengen yet (meaning you can’t cross the border without being checked by customs, EXACTLY BECAUSE it’s fucked)? Lol, you really showed Denmark xD

Also saying America is doing “better” at combating crime is only true if you want to compare yourself to war torn counties. The US has a comparable amount of people in prison to China. COMPARABLE to a country where you get arrested for looking the wrong way. Yes, China has more prisoners, but it also has 4 times the population! America is failing spectacularly at keeping its monopoly of violence as a state. When a civilian shooting happens in the rest of the 1st and 2nd world it’s a tragedy that shakes the country, meanwhile in America half the population feels nothing, because it happens so often.

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Europe likes to shit on the US because of people like you making excuses and letting problems in America continue being problems.

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Tell me you know nothing about Europe, the EU or the Schengen area without stating so verbatim.

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Holy shit, I thought it was double digits. How did they get 376 to show up without any of them roid raging their way into doing something other than dicking around?

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How did they get 376 to show up without any of them roid raging their way into doing something other than dicking around?

Some of them tried and were actively prevented from doing it by other Officers. The whole situation is actually worse than most people realize.

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There’s no way that’d ever be justifiable, but what’s their excuse?

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34 points

Probably something about free school lunches or litter boxes.

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22 points

From one report, they didn’t know who was in charge because there were State and local units. So they did nothing while some in charge waited to hear who should be giving the orders. At least that’s how I remember it.

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7 points

It would have made the coward cops look bad

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They knew exactly what a .223 round does to the human body.

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Because it’s a group of narcissists. They were too worried about themselves. None of them had the courage to say “I’m willing to not go home tonight so these kids can.”

Actually I’d bet that a bunch said that, but didn’t actually do anything about it.

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This is what pisses me off the most. 376, and you can’t storm the room? 376? And you refuse to trade one for any of those children who needed protecting? These are supposedly the hard calculations they have to make and they all unilaterally chose themselves? Enforcers will always be useless to anybody but the property owners. They aren’t actually here to protect anybody. They should have made the call, and traded 20 of themselves so those kids didn’t have to die. Thats the hard call we expect these “hard asses” to make.

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I can’t remember the study but basically the bystander effect is a thing. The more people there are in a group, the more likely it is that no one will do anything because everyone will assume that someone else will do something.

This isn’t to excuse officers because they are specifically trained that they are that someone. The fact that they were held back from entering is willful, malicious, and negligent.

The fact that the officers actually complied instead of disobeying orders especially when seconds turned to minutes, is cowardice.

And a reminder that I believe the police chief and mayor of the town was reelected by the town.

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They analyzed the trolley problem, they chose to sacrifice the few for the many.

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A coward is not the same thing as a narcissist.

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One can be both, however.

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Non-peaceful demonstrators

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    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

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