Important context: This was an instance of a crowd crush caused by poor crowd control.
edit: action has now been taken against the offending comment :)
(also some of you guys in the comments here have been yoinked by mods too… just be nice? this post was not an invitation to test out your boundaries)
by opening this spoiler you acknowledge that brigading and harrassment are against the rules
link to post in question: https://lemmy.world/comment/10965360
Is expressing atheist beliefs inherently anti-religious?
Seems like a bad cope to me
No, but “I may die in a stupid way (but not as stupid as these religious people who were trampled to death because of a dust storm)” is anti-religious.
You haven’t seen the thread of comments by flying squid on the topic of taking nude pictures of babies and sharing them with people
I’ll grab the link and come back and edit my comment
Ah yes, please do complain about it in a community that has nothing to do with it!
😊
for those interested i am working on it :) trying to figure something out because i also recognize this is suboptimal
Damn, this post left out some really crucial context. I assumed the comment was left in response to someone martyring themselves, probably after having killed others in the name of their sky fairy. And in that context I’d have backed them 100% in what they were saying about it.
But yeah, your reply there said it better than anyone could. The comment was completely out of place and inappropriate.
Ooh! What context can I add? Obviously I want to make this post as effective as possible and don’t want to mislead folks but I recognize I have proximity bias.
Thanks :)
I mean… it does say “Crush” in the original title. But not everyone knows what that means.
Something that always gets me is when people lump in anti-religion with these others. Reglion in any country with freedom of religion is a choice, these other things are not. Someone doesn’t choose to be a particular ethnic group. Someone doesn’t choose to be disabled. People don’t choose to be gay or have gender dysphoria People do choose to believe in things that I think are ridiculous and saying that I cannot call that out is just religious people saying you can’t call them out. If you can tell me I am burning in hell because I don’t believe in your pie man in the sky then I can tell you that you are stupid for believing in a pie man in the sky and comment on absurd actions that are caused by those beliefs.
Yeah nah.
You don’t tell them they’re stupid for faith. You point out that the bullshit they’re spouting is explicitly stated by their pie man in the sky to be the real express road straight to hell. Much more fun.
Like for instance every conservative Christian politician who was piously sworn in on the Bible, despite Jesus himself saying not to swear by anything and calling the practice demonic. By their own stated belief system they are inaugurating their public office with a satanic ritual.
This isn’t some obscure passage either, it’s in the Sermon on the Mount, one of the most famous scenes in the entire Bible. Anyone who swears on the Bible in any capacity clearly doesn’t take it seriously enough to know anything about what it says.
And the alternative given to swearing oaths is just like… idk, maybe be honest in general, guys?
People do choose to believe in things that I think are ridiculous and saying that I cannot call that out is just religious people saying you can’t call them out.
And what value does your calling them out add to the discussion? Does it lead to an interesting nuanced conversation? Or is it immediately just people insulting each other while saying nothing other than “you’re wrong”?
If it never leads to useful or interesting discussion and only leads to flame wars and arguments then it should be banned.
To the extent of “what does calling out anyone for anything lead to an interesting nuanced discussion” so should we ban calling people out?
Ultimately it’s ambiguous and we need to draw a line in the sand somewhere, but it’s reasonable for people to disagree where to draw that line.
Except, it often isn’t a choice? Especially for women? Most people are born with their religion chosen for them. There are also clearly deeply ingrained universal drives that push humans to religious beliefs as well. Otherwise we wouldn’t see them across civilisations on every continent, from antiquity to the modern day.
No such rules in this one – your god is a lie sold to castrate and incapacitate you.
Does that mean you deserve to die in a crowd crush, something not at all unique to religious gatherings?
r/atheism and its consequences have been disastrous to the traditional practice of being a decent human being online
Riiiiiiiight it’s atheists that are the problem. Not just shitty people who happen to be atheist…
While not impossible elsewhere. Extremely large crush killings like this happen with alarming regularity at religious events.
Concerts and sporting events have rules and regulations to prevent this nowadays. Guess who cries “persecution” when you try the same for them.
Also, a lot of these events are in the poorer countries, where these regulations don’t exist.
And also because, apparently, god doesn’t want to rescue these people.
No such rules in this one
Though neither specifically mention religion, here are the rules for c/196 and lemmy.blahaj.zone that may cover this case:
lemmy.blahaj.zone’s guidelines:
In addition, lemmy.blahaj.zone’s TOS states that they must follow the laws of Australia, which may have legislation regarding this issue:
Edit: replaced references from lemmy.world’s TOS, I got the instance wrong, my bad! - Also replaced non-image links with archive.org links for posterity (image links have been archived, but they have not been replaced for embedding reasons)
initial version of the comment
No such rules in this one
Though neither specifically mention religion, here are the rules for c/196 and lemmy.world that may cover this case:
In addition, lemmy.world’s TOS states that they must follow the laws of the below three countries, which may have laws regarding this issue:
I read that and don’t see how it’s relevant in this case. I’m simply telling the truth. Invest your tithe into a retirement account and call it a day.
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