Who names their chicken Bessie? Everyone knows Bessie is a cow’s name.
Just don’t mess with a chicken cow. Those things are dangerous!
Suburbanite in a proper suburb: “Come child, walk with me to the corner store to pick up some eggs.”
I was debating with myself if I should say that. But I thought I shouldn’t exclude third world countries.
The distinction here is not “suburb and non-suburb”, it’s “car-dependent suburb and non-car-dependent suburb” the large large majority are the former.
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This was definitely something I didn’t realize was a thing until I moved into a far more non-car dependent suburb. I grew up in suburban sprawl so bad it would literally take you half an hour to foot just to leave the neighborhood. It’s not nearly as good as some of the places I’ve stayed in Europe, but it was eye opening to say the least.
streetcar suburb: “Come child, let us take the tram to the store and buy some eggs”
In a proper streetcar suburb there should be a supermarket at the tram stop. Also daycare and small primary school, a hair stylist, a GP office, and a restaurant/takeout. Parcel pickup. You only take the tram if you need to go somewhere that has a larger catchment area than a tram stop and especially the supermarket and takeout should be directly at the tram stop so that commuters can grab something on their way home, the rest can be a bit more distributed. One tram stop might have a clothing store, another a shoe store.
Have plenty of bike parking that doubles the radius for the catchment area. housing density should gradually fall off from the tram stop outwards, you can e.g. have a couple of 8-storey blocks around the tram stops with a quasi-urban feel surrounded by 3-5 storeys interspersed with football pitches and greenery and playgrounds, then terraced homes, then finally single-family homes. As to street design: Plenty of cul-de-sacs and traffic calming, make sure that the cul-de-sacs are only for cars, bikes can continue on (you don’t need separate bike infrastructure in traffic-calmed areas), also plenty of small paths cutting through everything so kids can visit friends living away 100m without you having to get on a highway first.
Suburbanite should ideally go to their backyard garden/ chicken coop
And then the HOA puts a lien on your home for refusing to get rid of your chickens.
Death to HOAs.
I still rent, unfortunately, (southern California) but at least my neighborhood doesn’t have an HOA. Those suburban sprawl super sterile neighborhoods like I grew up in in another state are just not at all attractive to live in.
I have a pretty large garden and sometime this year will have a chicken coop, as it’s allowed here as long as no roosters. Also just bought a greenhouse kit. Eating your own food is incredible.
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Takes all of 5 minutes to start a car and drive a mile and back. Nobody walks into a Costco for just eggs or brings the entire family.
I get that you all hate cars but when you make up fantasy stories like this you just harden mind of those you must convince.
There’s no reason you should need to drive for that kind of stuff. Sure, it takes 5 minutes, but it’s worse for your health, the environment, your wallet, and your morale.
Sure, and a suburbanite could bike 10-15 minutes there instead of driving. This isn’t really a problem with suburbs. Grocery stores are incredibly common there, probably moreso than urban areas.
Unless you live in the US with its Euclidean Zoning laws which prohibit mixing land use types in a lot of the country. Groceries are commercial use, and so have to go in commercial developments. Plus the big box stores have killed off most of the small grocers, so you have to go to the strip mall on the edge of town.
I never said you should. Only that the above in no way describes the majority experience. It’s really not that stressful in the least bit. It’s a 10 minute experience with an extra wide parking spot for your f150 at one of the dozens of choices you’ll have to grab your eggs.
I am particularly lucky in that I could go to Wegmans or one of several farms within that 10 minute time frame.
It’s far closer to my hometown experience than what you describe.
I know of 2 grocery stores there (the other half of that town is a mystery to me, probably a couple more there but it was 10 minutes just to get over the bridge, 40+ minutes in the summer, so I never went there), and they got their first supermarket in a decade about 5 years ago now, after the previous one closed 10 years before. For a town of 30,000.
Granted, it’s a summer vacation town, so it’s like 60% rich people’s summer homes, but everybody I’ve talked to who’s lived in a summer town has described more or less the same experiences that I had growing up.
When I lived there, it was a 5-7 minute drive to the closest grocery, where you could pay tourist prices, or 20 minutes to that new supermarket. Your other option was to drive to the next town over or 30 minutes by highway in the other direction.
I visited the US once for a week. Visited Walmart exactly once, and Wegmans every other time. Wegmans blows even my European expectations for a grocery store out of the water.
Drive, a mile? To a whole hypermarket for eggs? I’d just walk down the 95 meters to the grocery store here to get those missing eggs
Okay, that’s still a similar effort. And I don’t disagree the preferred approach. The above is absurd though. If anything it describes a more rural experience and still quite exaggerated IMO.
The above is fantasy circle jerk material. Meme better and have a basis of truth. Those are the best memes.
If I didn’t have to dox myself for that I’d gladly go out and record my way to the store. Just because you can’t have basic necessities over there across the pond it doesn’t mean everyone is going out of their way to lie for magic internet points.
Yeah, realistically this hypothetical person just grabbed eggs while they were at the Wawa. Nobody goes on a whole ass Costco run when they were already making dinner just for fucking eggs.
Honestly? Walking 95 meters to the grocery store is way less effort than getting in the car, putting on your seat belt, starting the car, driving off, and parking.
I lived 300 meters from a small grocery store and a 5 minute drive from a bigger one. I almost never went to the bigger one even though it had a better selection of food.
Yeah I agree that car dependent suburbs are a problem and car brainedness is an issue in North America, but these fake stories are kind of laughable.
Ive lived in suburbs and cities all over NY state and this story is funny. I’d probably be able to get to like 3 or 4 regional groceries (not cosco) in 5-10 minutes or to a gas station with good prices on eggs and milk in 2-5 minutes. Ive been to orlando so I know the OP isnt entirely untrue, but Ive lived in plenty of places where I’d be there and back again before the city guy gets to the bottom of the elevator/stairs. Also the corner bodega is almost definitely going to be more expensive.
Again I agree car dependency is bad, but this whole thing is silly.
What if I’m a rural non-farmer?
