The entire rest of the world needs to be on watch, trump is a potential threat to other countries
FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN AMERICA GET THE FUCK OUT NOW
Counterpoint… If you leave, you’re leaving the most power arsenal of doomsday weapons in the hands of a moron death cult.
Stay, and become ungovernable.
Ah yes, I forgot that I personally controlled the nuclear arsenal. Thanks.
Lol, no thanks, I think things will get really good around here once January hits
Fuck that, I love this country and I’m not ceding it to a bunch of stupid bigots. They’re the ones that should be leaving.
I thought the same except he won the popular vote too. I’m worried this isn’t a minority of people with loud voices…I think this is America.
I’ve been duped or in denial or something.
He won because Kamala underperformed. They both underperformed compared to 2020 actually, Kamala just moreso.
Voters are disillusioned with Democrats, and it’s no wonder why when the Democrats keep running on policy that is unpopular with their base and relying on orange man bad to get their voters to the polls. It worked once, and then nothing changed, so of course it wasn’t going to work again. Stop trying to push the blame off on voters and use this time to reflect on your own party’s election strategy.
You realize that unless you have a second citizenship it’s not easy to just up and leave for another country?
What I kinda hate is the liberals who act like they want to help but are actively planning to leave the country.
If they are brown or queer, sure. It’s needed, seek asylum and live elsewhere. If they’re white cis liberals who happened to have a back up plan and just abandon the people who thought they would save them?
“I’m here to help. Oh we lost despite me browbeating you and tokenizing your life. I’m off to England and Canada, bye! Maybe I’ll give some bucks to a random gofundme.”
Most people don’t. I really didn’t get the whole scope/big picture until my wife (who immigrated as a child and now works with immigrant families) explained the whole process and gave examples of things she’s seen at work and with people in the community. Last night we got dinner with my mom and she asked “OK where are we moving to?” to only get a lengthy conversation of how it’s works and how hard it is. It’s not as easy as buying a plane ticket, selling all your stuff or shipping things to where you are going and then picking up life as normal. I hope most people here realize that, but I felt like it needed to be said.
Lol and go where? From what I can tell, Canada has a housing crisis and is tilting right. Western Europe is already getting sick of immigrants and dealing with the far right.
Canada has a housing crisis and is tilting right
Yeah. Trudeau’s not super popular anymore because of all his scandals, open corruption, and his handling of the economy and immigration (I expect the Trump win will probably solidify his base somewhat, though, once people start comparing the opposition to Trump) and the NDP’s never going to win a majority with Jagmeet at the helm (NDP voters aren’t too thrilled about how far up Trudeau’s ass his tongue regularly goes). That basically leaves the Bloc (which only cares about Quebec) and the Conservatives. No one outside of Quebec votes for the Bloc (no one serious, at least).
The most damaging thing Trump ever did was show the politicians of the world that you can pretty much just do whatever the fuck you want if you spread divisive hate and propaganda hard enough. The Cons weren’t anywhere close to what the Republicans were before he got into office. In our case, the economy usually did get better under them. Unfortunately, they’ve been steadily becoming more and more extreme over the past couple of elections. It looked like they were trying to be more moderate when they had Erin O’Toole, but there were still some morons among them that were eager to show that they’d gone batshit insane, so they’re back to doubling down on ol’ Canadian Ben Shapiro now.
No one outside of Quebec votes for the Bloc because no one outside of Quebec can vote for the Bloc.
My wife and I have considered shoring up in Baja. We have quite a few friends in a well insulated community down there, and it’s a 12 hour drive from where we’re at, assuming they don’t lock the border from the inside (which they probably will at some point).
Yeah now that Russia has bought and paid for the US they can focus elsewhere.
What is so fucked that the US isn’t an anomaly. Authoritarianism has been on the rise since the 90s and we don’t really have any more true democracies. The crazy right-wing jackasses that people back in 2000 and 2005 thought were just kooks and nutjobs are now 100% mainstream and they’re taking over their respective countries… We are not in a good place.
we don’t really have any more true democracies
What’s a True Democracy and when did we originally have it?
Is this where we blink past Jim Crow and put blinders on during the Nixon/Reagan years to pretend popular politics was a real thing prior to Clinton?
Or are we going to claim 1976 was the only truly free and fair election in IS history?
Let me reword that. We have no liberal democracies as we thought of them in the 90s.
Best part of all this is there are still probably people who think that leftists are the anti-democratic ones…
I can’t even afford to live HERE, in the country I was born and raised in. How do you expect me to move somewhere else and gain citizenship there?
By getting yourself a passport, a working permit for wherever you want to go and a plane ticket.
Ahhh yes, it is so easy to pick up and move to another country. Why didn’t anyone think of this earlier?
People need to stop blaming voters, we all need to start understand why this happen more and more in the world and not judge the voters for their decision. I have some theories but its not the time or place, but stop say “people are dumb” or “People need educations”… 100 million people cant be all dumb or uneducated, go deeper!
It feels so fucking obvious to me and it has for the 20 years I’ve been voting, I fucking voted for dennis kucinich lol. There’s a reason Bernie was able to cut through the noise. He had a blunt and obvious, class based, economic ideology. That’s where he planted his flag.
The ‘third way’ Democrat machinery seems to plant it’s flag on reactionary culture war issues. Even if that’s only the perception, not reality, they always take the bait.
AND WHY THE FUCK DID IT TAKE SO GOD DAMNED LONG FOR TRUMP TO BE CHARGED FOR J6? If you want to call them Nazis you have to do Nuremberg when you have the fucking chance.
trump may be the iceberg that sinks the ship but people must not forget that it was obama that steered it so expertly there.
whatever he has done in his eight years to engender such deeply entrenched hatred within the populace – so much that even morons like mr. 47 can exploit it so readily – needs to be studied so that it can be avoided in the future.
Obama didn’t start Fox news bro. Obama didn’t defund education and get rid of civics classes. Obama didn’t cut taxes on the billionaire class and corporations. Obama didn’t sell those same billionaires and conglomerates the major news outlets. The voting population in America only know what they’re told because they’re never taught to think critically. Look at the rise of disinformation regardless of political ideology. Look at the rise in scams.
you’re mixing up trump’s eventual misdeeds with the fact that the usa has undergone a massive transformation towards the right under the eight years of obama.
i’m talking about the seeds which were sown, you’re talking about the harvest which followed. these are two separate things.
each of your assertions have flourished under the manure of the obama tenure – even if they didn’t happen during his presidency.
but, sure. live in denial and give him a pass. just don’t moan when history repeats itself. as a non-american, it’s no skin off my back.
I also think part of the problem is that with the internet, we may just have a lot of data readily available, so much so people are overwhelmed they just tune it all out. We can spend a lot of time wondering why people vote the way they do but if the losing party doesn’t take the time to be retrospective and humble as to why they lost then I can’t blame people for that too much.
They’ve been conditioned for 8 years that any negative thing they read or hear about their leader is “fake news”, and likely their own pride of not wanting to consider the possibility they could be mistaken has made them easy targets for the misinformation machine at Fox News to avoid telling them objective facts to instead pander to their emotions and tell them what opinion they should have. Mass manipulation by biased media.
Not if we decide to not let it happen.
This is definitively the president that the country has chosen. What’s there to not let happen?
Well, Biden could legally have him killed by seal team six.
I’m not advocating for anything, just pointing out what trumps lawyer successfully argued.
That’s the problem–it wouldn’t matter. Trump isn’t the problem, the problem is a huge percentage of the country who wants to elect him. If it’s not him, it’ll be someone just as bad. Hell, I wouldn’t put it past people to vote Putin himself in.
please not seals, pick any other sof unit
seals will get book deal before even they’re done
Barring something extreme, probably so. There might be legal challenges available but it does not look like Pennsylvania was close enough to possibly flip.
Mutual aid will be more important than ever, join and build up your local groups if you’re able, it will pay off in dividends in the coming years.
This election has only proven how electoralism cannot be relied upon, it’s just us now. We need to build the world we want to live in, without corporate influence.
- Search your local area + ‘mutual aid’.
- Help your local food not bombs.
- Create a worker owned cooperative with your friends if possible, or join an existing one.
- Help spread the meshtastic network to build up communication resilience in your community.
- Plant trees in your community to help reduce the heat island effect for the coming heatwaves.
- Create or join a community garden near you to bolster food availability and foster connections with those around you.
- engage in guerrilla urbanism, make your community safer to walk or bike
- encourage your coworkers to unionize under the IWW, contact them for help on how to unionize your workplace.
- vote in your local elections to try and have a state or city government that is less hostile to the above actions, but continue to build decentralized power independently of them regardless. Do not make the mistake of handing off the responsibility to make things better to them, it’s up to YOU, and your community, and hopefully other nearby communities doing the same, but that is all.
We have tremendous collective power if we just use it, and hopefully this outcome will result in us coming together and building that world in the shell of the old. Collective solidarity is our only solution left.
4 more years? Nah. 6 months before they turf him.
This’ll be a Vance presidency.
They wouldn’t need to bother. High risk for relatively little benefit over him nominally being in the position.
If they are going to sideline him in practice, I’d expect more of a Dick Cheney. It’s not like he’s going to stand in the way as long as he gets personally enriched/protected.
To what end? He’ll do what billionaires and the project 2025 ghouls want him to anyways. He doesn’t need to be turfed. They want to keep him there soaking up all the media attention and hate while they do their evil shit in the dark.
Not like I expect couchfuckerrapist to be any better then the regular rapist.
Hopefully dems nominate someone who actually has soul instead of a walking checklist like Kamala. Oh, who am I kidding? They won’t learn anything from this either.
Was that really the issue? She felt pretty “souly” to me. I’m wondering if it’s more voter turnout and people not being ready to vote for a woman (for whatever reason).
I mean was Biden really above and beyond Harris? He beat Trump, and Trump arguably has even less going for him this election.
He beat Trump,
Yes, but after four years of being traumatized by Trump voters would have turned out for a blow-up doll. The same will probably happen in four years’ time, I reckon.
I’d say Harris actually had a lot more “Not Trump” energy than Biden could ever muster, but her inability to promise the voting anything other than just more of the same and the fact that Biden and the Dems have actually done zilch to stop the right-wing insanity in the past four years just demoralized the voting public.
It was Martin Prince vs Bart Simpson.
She ran a traditional campaign on issues, Trump got them chanting “More asbestos” difference is they voted.
The Dems need to realise that this is now a popularity contest and you have to fight a cult of personality with a cult of personality.